But but but but….. these monster deer are incredibly hard to kill and pattern.
Seek One knocks down a TN stud!!
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BSK
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In one of our research projects, we put GPS-collars on some suburban deer. We needed to know how much influence we were having by "knocking out" a local population. Some of these deer had full ranges of just 12 acres. I've seen wild deer with ranges exceeding 10,000 acres.
CliffordN
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I saw another one with a third beam, killed yesterday, but somehow lost track of it.
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I am sure that's already happened if they have shot more than one in a suburban settings.. I am sure they don't all just keel over in the one acre lot they shot it at. Everyone I know that hunts in the burbs has one of these stories.. Honestly most of these hunters also have questionable ethics...
I respect the hard work and passion but don't try and pass it along as hard a wild buck. Shooting a giant patterned suburban buck in August is not the same..
This is why every Joe smo buys all the best equipment and ruins spots on public land for the actual few that know how to hunt. It ruins it for those of us that can't afford big property. You have people with money and no knowledge and experience vs people with knowledge and are smart with there money.
Coincidence these deer are always killed in august… i think not
Awesome buck for sure. Although I can't stand to watch their content. I'm sure they put in alot of time and effort. Its all about the money. If they are doing what they are passionate about and making a living doing it, good for them. Doesn't mean I have to watch their content and be impressed. If they want me to be impressed leave the city limits and come on down to the mountains of southern middle TN and kill a 150" buck.
This is what I tend to think, too. I have no experience with urban hunting, but its hard to imagine urban environments not allowing a significantly higher percentage of bucks to safely survive through maturity, in comparison to wild environments. Furthermore they are compressed into much smaller area. Case in point, what are the odds of getting on a 190" buck in a 10,000 contiguous acre forest in the mountains, with only 3 days to hunt? I'd bet pretty close to 0.0%.
I've got no animosity toward people taking urban bucks. Doesn't bother me. I'd probably even try it myself if the opportunity presented itself and I was confident my hunt wouldn't become a neighbor's problem. I'm not about inconveniencing somebody else for my own selfish pursuits. That seems to be a courtesy lost on people nowadays. But even if everything was just right and I did tag a monster, I think it would always have an asterisk attached to it. It just wouldn't be as fulfilling as tagging a hard earned mature wilderness buck.
I'm not even all that impressed with the genetics. The deer has almost certainly never been hunted, chased by predators, or survived a situation where his body robbed him of antler growth because he needed every bit of nutrition to stay alive. He hasn't traveled dozens or hundreds of miles in a few short weeks because he's competing to mate. The hardest thing this deer has likely ever endured was crossing a busy street.
If deer hunting was put on pause for 3yrs, across the board, how many giants would be taken the first season it reopened?
peytoncreekhunter
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Just think if they arrowed one and it took off through the neighborhood, crossed a street in front of cars, caused a wreck and someone (even worse kids) were hurt or killed. I'd hate to have that on my conscience. And I know it could happen on a "wild" deer from a big farm crossing a highway but a neighborhood deer is likely possibly.
Duck dogn
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Same here I have 20 acres my neighbors shoot everything that walks but hey its mine lol
JN
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I like watching their shows and don't really care where they kill the deer or if they make the show more dramatic by adding some drama to it. I view them hunting urban deer is probably no different then the big name hunting shows going to a "ranch" to shoot a deer over a feeder. Which I do not prefer to watch those types of hunting shows. I feel like they are just paying for a deer.
I do some urban hunting myself but they are usually small tracts of 10-15 acres between subdivisions. I am mainly killing does because owners are tired of deer eating all the landscaping. I do know one thing if a 190" comes through I am not passing on it just because it was an urban deer and would not think anything of myself being less of a hunter because it was in an urban setting.
I do some urban hunting myself but they are usually small tracts of 10-15 acres between subdivisions. I am mainly killing does because owners are tired of deer eating all the landscaping. I do know one thing if a 190" comes through I am not passing on it just because it was an urban deer and would not think anything of myself being less of a hunter because it was in an urban setting.
Duck dogn
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As I replied above I hate to knock and ask because some people will chew you out. Some are nice. I've tried to find suburban areas locally but no luck some people would hunt them some would not hunt city deer. I personally have great respect for seek ones crew. As someone mentioned above alot of these giants will die of old age and meat and horns waste. Why not hunt and harvest such trophies.
megalomaniac
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Actually, this is correct. Way more die from car collisions than are killed by urban/ suburban hunters. Usually the only bucks that survive to maturity are the ones that are homebodies and don't roam. The wanderers usually don't even make it to age 3.
But, you should be impressed by the genetics. There aren't many places in TN that the local herd has the potential to grow 180in deer with guaranteed regularity. Where they are hunting is one of the only places in the state capable of doing that.
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Fly fishermen are just as bad.
Going on a helicopter trip to Patagonia is something the common guy will never get to do.
It's just a contest of who has the bigger ding dong or wallet.
I'll share pics on here because most of you guys get it.
Do you think it's genetics more so than age, nutrition, and environmental conditions?
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How many people see this pic and say dang we got to get down to TN and flood the wmas look what kind of deer they got there. When I saw the pic I said wow what an accomplishment. Having no Idea it had been killed in a trapped city environment. Very nice buck indeed I will give him that. My point being like others. How and why would you be impressed with a big buck being killed in this environment. Would I kill him absolutely like most. But I would not be impressed with myself at all. To hunt these bucks in large continuous tracks of land and killing them. Shouldn't even be a debate really as to which kill is more impressive in my mind. And I also don't think these big name hunting shows. Where high fences are used and the camera man and guy are put in a tree stand. That someone else put all the work in. Only to get a video of them killing the buck. If you are then I'm fine with that I could care less. I'm more impressed with the hike in. The scouting and the tracking and all the looking for mast and browse. Finding travel routes and bedding and putting the puzzle together in big tracks of land. Where deer can roam for miles unseen and undetected. Until your plan hopefully comes together.
bowhunterfanatic
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This is really neither here nor there, but Lee really strikes me as a chode. I don't doubt that he's nice in person, but I've only watched a couple of his videos and it became very obvious to me that there was almost nothing he wouldn't do to sit behind a deer with large antlers. I have ZERO doubts that he does some really slimy, greasy things to "get permission".
megalomaniac
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Yup, 100% genetics
I used to think age was the most important part of the 3 legged stool (age, genetics, nutrition) growing trophy class deer.... but I now know better...
If you are talking 120 to 130 class deer.... age absolutely is the most important. But once you start talking true trophy class deer (160in or better), it's all about genetics.
A good example... ive identified 8 mature bucks 4.5 or older on my farms so far this year. The highest scoring buck is only 130in... and he is 5.5. 4 of the mature bucks won't even break 120in. And they have been fed beans every summer since birth, tons of browse and plots all winter, and will average 200 to 225lbs live wt each. And I would guess that my farms are in the top quartile antler genetic wise for the entire state.
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At what distance do these genetics begin to change? And why would the genetics be confined to just a few pockets of TN?
megalomaniac
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I'm 50mi south of Nashville and don't even hear anything about folks killing 140"+ bucks in this immediate area, except a few now and then on AEDC. Just 50mi further south and deer get big again. It baffles me.
BSK
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Agree completely. I have trail-camera pictures of several hundred mature bucks from the western highland rim, some on the most intensively managed land imaginable, and the average mature buck in that region is exactly the same as the average mature buck on the King Ranch in TX; mid 120s. But the "bell curve" distribution of produced scores is very wide for mature bucks. There's always going to be those at the top end and the bottom end. And both of those are going to be genetics. All given the same resources, most bucks in our region are going to grow racks in the 120-130 range at maturity. But for those under 100 or over 150 at maturity, it's in the genes.
I dont watch their stuff. But they were on an episode of the hunting public and i saw them. I really appreciate what the THP represents- hunting public land that anyone can hunt and killing mature deer with a bow. Hunting tame deer in town just dont tickle my fancy. Towns are for buying groceries, not hunting deer.
For me hunting deer IS getting groceries!
No keep them away!! Lol no deer in them mnt
