rstodd
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The damage has already been done on the CWD public lands.
TWRA meeting today
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Flintlocksforme
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Wide open killing on public lands is different than on private land.
BSK
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Yes, it would be, IF hunters were doing that. But they're not. Again, the buck bag limit is 2, and hunters are still killing more bucks than does. So obviously, the 3 doe per day limit is NOT being taken advantage of. In fact, hunters are killing less does than bucks, and the buck limit is 2.
Sounds like normal east tn hunting.
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There was a table in the presentation that showed exactly what you just stated. Very small percentage taking 5 or more does.
TheLBLman
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And that's in a year, not a day.
The 1st year my primary deer hunting county became Unit L,
one afternoon I killed 3 big ole does.
No desire to ever kill 3 doe again in a single day.
Too much work.
What's behind the 3 a day doe limit
is mostly psychological, simply letting hunters know it's "OK"
to kill a doe, even 3 in a day if you want.
Most TN deer hunters do not even kill a single doe in an entire season,
even in Unit L, where the limit is 3 a day.
Flintlocksforme
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I have done it 3-4 times maybe, hunting by myself, no atv, and processing them. I usually question my decision at some point in the process.
gladesman60
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Well that sucks for you also.
How can they if a person just pays the fine ? If a person knows they are guilty most just pays the fine . Should be a big payout for that .
It's all I've ever known. So it's kinda normal.
Since they don't rely solely on revenue from hunting licenses you'd think their management is less politics driven than TN. However, baiting is purely political and I'm HIGHLY doubtful there will be any such ban. That would go over like a turd in a punch bowl down there. They raised a new generation of hunters that don't know any other way to hunt.
Again, not even close.
Let's look at what may be an average fishing without a license case:
The officer writes the citation. He then must complete an arrest warrant and file it at the county courthouse. Probably a minimum of an hour to do that.
Then, because even if the violator pays the ticket, they have the option of going to court. If the officer isn't there to prosecute the case, it likely is thrown out. The officer will try to have multiple cases set on the same day. Regardless, probably another 3-4 hours of time tied up (minimum).
If the person pays the citation, or if found guilty in court, I suspect the total cost to the defendant now likely is $350-400. That sounds like a big payday for TWRA. Again, wrong.
Out of that $350, the actual fine on the charge will most likely be $10. Out of that, TWRA gets $4. The rest goes (by law) to the county school fund. The remaining $340 are court costs, with a significant portion going to the judges retirement fund. Out of the court costs, TWRA usually receives a $25 arrest fee.
So, TWRA nets $29 for maybe 4-5 hrs of the officer's time. It doesn't come close to even paying for the time to write and prosecute the violation.
So, just an ignorant take to even think that TWRA would set regulations trying to trick people into violating them.
Biggun4214
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Generally TWRA gets $15-20 from the court cost and they get 45% of the fines. So if an officer spends 3 hours in court and the judge levies a $100 fine, TWRA would get $60-65. That doesn't even pay for the officer's court time.
Most fines run $10-25. Lots of cases are dismissed for different reasons.
BSK
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Not trying to sound like an a-hole (actually, yes I am!), but does anyone else see the irony in the discussions about limits for turkey versus deer in this single thread?
Turkey: "Quit trying to micro-manage turkey regulations! Just set a statewide limit. If you don't, hunters from a low limit region will just check their birds in as being killed in a higher limit county."
Deer: "Quit grouping entire sets of counties into the same doe harvest regions! My area can't handle high doe harvest limits [even though almost no one is taking advantage of them]. The deer need to be micro-managed, local population by local population!"
Turkey: "Quit trying to micro-manage turkey regulations! Just set a statewide limit. If you don't, hunters from a low limit region will just check their birds in as being killed in a higher limit county."
Deer: "Quit grouping entire sets of counties into the same doe harvest regions! My area can't handle high doe harvest limits [even though almost no one is taking advantage of them]. The deer need to be micro-managed, local population by local population!"
TheLBLman
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Valid point, BSK.
My thinking is that statewide laws (rules) are only as good as their enforcement.
And there's basically no enforcement against claiming a kill in a different unit/county
which may be under very different laws (rules).
Maybe rather than focusing as much on kill limits, the focus should be more on season dates,
and happy mediums "statewide".
As to both deer & turkey, a 2-Tom or a 2-buck statewide limit is possibly the best happy medium.
If we want to reduce the kill in certain counties/units, delay the opening dates?
At least it's easier to catch someone hunting out of season than "legally" checking in kills
in a bogus county?
deerhunter10
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For sure but what is also sad is how twra managed to piss off both in different ways. They have lost their way imo.
Didn't say going to court I said just paying the fine . I mailed a fine in once $ 275 so how much did TWRA get ?
Flintlocksforme
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Fines aren't much. It's the court cost.
Never mind .. When you don't go to Court how's that not pure profit ? No time required of the TWRA 's officers time so whatever they get is profit ...well little bookkeeping. If this is true then if I'm fixing to get a ticket I'll just offer $50 donation !!
