baiting in Tennessee

[Wrangler95]

you can use travel patterns dictated by terrain features to kill deer, which is how I approach hunting. Figuring deer travel patterns and tendencies is what I enjoy not sitting over a corn pile.

I'm with you on that!

 

[Ski]

Perhaps the problem in south MS is 3 out of 4 hunters hunt over cornpiles... so they are everywhere... Maybe that's what keeps the older deer nocturnal? Or keeps them nocturnal around the feeders... me and a friend kill them in daylight away from the cornpiles near the thick stuff.

I'd guess it's not entirely different than Ohio. Different terrain but the legal baiting means a big margin of hunters, maybe even a majority, use bait. Every deer I kill up there has corn in its stomach even though the nearest ag is over a mile away. Worse yet, the property is surrounded 3 sides by state forest, which means somebody is likely illegally baiting on public ground.

I think the over abundance of baiting has to create a diminishing return effect. The more corn available, the less of an urgent attraction it will be. My brother, even though he runs a feeder year round, doesn't hunt over it. He and I both are fairly serious bow hunters and enjoy the chess game of it. I don't even hunt my plots. Never had much luck with it. I much prefer pinch points. As a bow hunter the worst thing about hunting close to food is that deer spend time there during the change from daytime/nighttime and I can't move without spooking them. On a pinch point I can get in or out whenever the coast is clear because deer are only passing through. My favorites are top side of draws in hill country, or creek crossings. Both seem infinitely more productive than bait piles.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

I haven't jumped into this argument about the sustainability, but from experience, in areas where there is no agriculture, keeping feeders full of corn OR some high protein pellets year round can absolutely sustain the deer in that area. And will keep mature bucks near these feeders during daylight hours not nocturnal. They get hungry during daylight hours as well and will prefer these feeders over sweetbriar, acorns, or other browse. I've watched it happen for years.

Point was baiting not year around feeding. I seriously doubt anyone is feeding year round.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

Maybe large food plots planted to sustain wildlife, most people I know plant small kill plots and use them to "bait" deer.

A one acre food plot can give as much food as 100 acres of mature hardwoods.

 

[FTP]

Point was baiting not year around feeding. I seriously doubt anyone is feeding year round.

I did on this farm I used to hunt. Kept deer on the property year round. No seasonal range shifts, saw deer every time we hunted

 

[FTP]

As I said, semantics. You asked me to specify he difference and I did. Completely different applications, purposes, and procedures, but a shared descriptive word. By that logic we should equate a grunt tube with a tube bait. Both are artificial, effective attractants, but who do you know would be on board for outlawing grunt calls because they're bait? I don't even care if you're right or if you're wrong. I'm only saying I'd like to see hunting topics discussed on the terms of hunting, not fishing. Arguing petty nonsense like this does zero to advance the conversation toward fruition.

As I said previously, the definition of the word bait uses the word food. Trying to implement a grunt tube in to your argument is silly and obviously wrong. Remember, words have meanings and I do not subscribe to the narrative of making a word mean something to fit an agenda.
Sorry Ski. The degree in English Lit and the teaching of debate for 25 years disagrees with you.

 

[MickThompson]

My first question is always "how will this benefit wildlife?" Anyone?

 

[timberjack86]

A one acre food plot can give as much food as 100 acres of mature hardwoods.

Sure it can, but so can a young clear cut. Im not talking about benefitting wildlife. I'm talking about all the green patch plus plots and hot spot plots that are planted with the sole purpose of baiting deer. You cannot argue that it doesn't happen.

 

[CrossVolle]

My first question is always "how will this benefit wildlife?" Anyone?

You won't get an answer.

 

[FTP]

You won't get an answer.

For clarity, is the question; does baiting benefit wildlife?

 

[CrossVolle]

For clarity, is the question; does baiting benefit wildlife?

That was my assumption.

 

[CrossVolle]

I'd guess it's not entirely different than Ohio. Different terrain but the legal baiting means a big margin of hunters, maybe even a majority, use bait. Every deer I kill up there has corn in its stomach even though the nearest ag is over a mile away. Worse yet, the property is surrounded 3 sides by state forest, which means somebody is likely illegally baiting on public ground.

I think the over abundance of baiting has to create a diminishing return effect. The more corn available, the less of an urgent attraction it will be. My brother, even though he runs a feeder year round, doesn't hunt over it. He and I both are fairly serious bow hunters and enjoy the chess game of it. I don't even hunt my plots. Never had much luck with it. I much prefer pinch points. As a bow hunter the worst thing about hunting close to food is that deer spend time there during the change from daytime/nighttime and I can't move without spooking them. On a pinch point I can get in or out whenever the coast is clear because deer are only passing through. My favorites are top side of draws in hill country, or creek crossings. Both seem infinitely more productive than bait piles.

couple folks on my lease in Ohio spend legitimately $1000 on corn. I have never put out the first bag. Anywhere. I don't have any desire to do it but it doesn't really bother me. Seems like work to me. I hunt to get away from all that.

 

[FTP]

I'll say this, on my property that I no longer have access to as previously mentioned... no agriculture around, from February-September I fed the deer 25% protein pellets, they had access to it all the time, October- end of January they had access to all the corn (carbs and fat) that they wanted. Yep, spent quite a bit of money on this, but the deer definitely benefitted from my generosity.
Now remember, it's not baiting if the season is closed. Just feeding deer.

 

[CrossVolle]

I'll say this, on my property that I no longer have access to as previously mentioned... no agriculture around, from February-September I fed the deer 25% protein pellets, they had access to it all the time, October- end of January they had access to all the corn (carbs and fat) that they wanted. Yep, spent quite a bit of money on this, but the deer definitely benefitted from my generosity.
Now remember, it's not baiting if the season is closed. Just feeding deer.

I believe they call that supplemental feeding. Which is a perfectly practical application.

 

[diamond hunter]

I thought you planted corn for the deer on your place? If so then I don't understand why deer would leave your place to go eat at the neighbors corn pile

Me neither

 

[Mattt]

Asking for the benefit of younger folks that may be growing up without a dad or those a bit older that may not have had anyone to teach/mentor them. How would those folks learn woodsmanship without anyone to teach them? A person can only learn so much from reading magazines and books or watching videos on YouTube. I think everyone will agree that hands-on learning is the best way of learning, but where does one start?

I hear ya. I didn't have a father figure growing up. I read everything I could as I had a strong desire in hunting. Middle school had field and stream and outdoor life. Got to go with my grandfather one time at about 12-13 years old and it lit a fire. I learned the hard way by doing it, mostly alone. That was before the internet and I got all my info from books and went out and tried it. Failed a lot. A whole lot. My sons got the benefit of that and I'm glad to pass it to them. Nowadays with the info that's available online it should be fairly easy.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

they shall beat their swords into plowshares

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

I believe they call that supplemental feeding. Which is a perfectly practical application.

It is not financially practical, especially when the same benefits can be achieved with a chainsaw.

 

[Pilchard]

Hey FTP, I've got a serious question for you:

If bait in fishing is the equivalent to corn in hunting, does this mean you believe corn is required to be a successful hunter?

Maybe if you take a sec to apply logic and reason, you'll see where your argument falls down.

 

[MickThompson]

Hey FTP, I've got a serious question for you:

If bait in fishing is the equivalent to corn in hunting, does this mean you believe corn is required to be a successful hunter?

Maybe if you take a sec to apply logic and reason, you'll see where your argument falls down.

I want to see him catch a deer on a 2 wt flyrod

 

[CrossVolle]

It is not financially practical, especially when the same benefits can be achieved with a chainsaw.

I don't do it either for that reason. But if anyone felt inclined to do so it's their money and it's still practical either way.

 

[FTP]

Hey FTP, I've got a serious question for you:

If bait in fishing is the equivalent to corn in hunting, does this mean you believe corn is required to be a successful hunter?

Maybe if you take a sec to apply logic and reason, you'll see where your argument falls down.

Pilchard, you guys are making more of this than it is. Obviously you can be a fantastically successful hunter and never use corn. I simply but correctly (using the commonly accepted definition of "Bait") made the point that whether in fishing or hunting, the bait serves the exact same purpose... to attract wild game. Don't go Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Shumer on me and put words in my mouth... man it's gotta be hard to be like you!!!

 

[FTP]

I want to see him catch a deer on a 2 wt flyrod

Mental Midgets

 

[scn]

How would you suggest fixing that? After multiple calls, giving pictures, plate numbers, addresses and even phone numbers it gets old and aggravating never seeing a green truck show up to help fix it!!!

Squeaky wheels get greased.

If you aren't getting a response from your local officer, call into the Regional office and let his Captain know that you aren't happy with the lack of response.

If that doesn't do the trick, bump it on up to the Regional Major over the region's law enforcement.

Still not seeing what you need? The Colonel over the Boating and Law Enforcement Div. is now over all of the law enforcement in the state. Raise a ruckus with him.

If the response is still lacking, contact the Asst. Director over Field Operations. The next step is the Executive Director. And, if they still are blowing you off, go to your Commissioner over your county. I doubt very seriously that it will have to go past the first 2-3 steps.

But, as an aside, just because you haven't seen a green truck out there may not mean it isn't being looked at. A lot of baiting work is done out of personal vehicles or being dropped off by another officer. Having a green truck parked in the area can be the kiss of death in making a case.

It shouldn't happen, but, unfortunately it does for a variety of reasons. That doesn't make it right. EVERYBODY in TWRA has a boss. Sometimes you have to get them involved.

 

[Rakkin6]

It's just foreign to me. I wouldn't have much of a problem on private land. But not on public land. When I was Bragg I did some hunting in North Carolina on some state forest land. Was up in my treestand and 6 dogs came running through. Guess in parts of NC they run deer with dogs. Now that I am against, talk about being pissed off. Doesn't really matter the hunting in that area of NC sucked. Nothing but sand and pine trees. Republic of Pineland.

 

[Pilchard]

Pilchard, you guys are making more of this than it is. Obviously you can be a fantastically successful hunter and never use corn. I simply but correctly (using the commonly accepted definition of "Bait") made the point that whether in fishing or hunting, the bait serves the exact same purpose... to attract wild game. Don't go Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Shumer on me and put words in my mouth... man it's gotta be hard to be like you!!!

To quote a self-proclaimed debate professor along with some of his childish extracurriculars:

Good Logic and Reasoning always exposes your fallacy of a point. BTW, I don't bite apples, I do use my large banana to destroy some tacos though. Jokes on you !!!

 

[Ski]

As I said previously, the definition of the word bait uses the word food. Trying to implement a grunt tube in to your argument is silly and obviously wrong. Remember, words have meanings and I do not subscribe to the narrative of making a word mean something to fit an agenda.
Sorry Ski. The degree in English Lit and the teaching of debate for 25 years disagrees with you.

Pounding your chest by touting a lit degree hardly qualifies your argument. Your debate students would recognize that posturing as defensive desperation. The thing about anonymous internet forums is that you really just don't know with whom you're communicating. Dare I say you're not the only educated person on the board. There sum purdy fart smellers on this here forum

 

[FTP]

To quote a self-proclaimed debate professor along with some of his childish extracurriculars:

Hurt your feelings huh? You couldn't dispel my position. Words have meanings. Like the folks on the political left have tried to change the meaning of "Vaccine". I have continued to expose to my students what the real and commonly accepted meaning of the word vaccine is. Don't fall for it. Better luck next time Pilchard.

 

[FTP]

Pounding your chest by touting a lit degree hardly qualifies your argument. Your debate students would recognize that posturing as defensive desperation. The thing about anonymous internet forums is that you really just don't know with whom you're communicating. Dare I say you're not the only educated person on the board. There sum purdy fart smellers on this here forum

Doesn't matter what my degree is, or others on here. My point is correct. Words have meaning. I won't allow you to attempt to smear or change the accepted meaning of "bait". The fact that some on this thread tried to do that very thing proves my position was correct. Sorry fart smeller boy !

 

[timberjack86]

Is there any truth to the rumor that twra is considering legalized baiting next season? Heard that one a few times the last few days.