Baiting Bill HB1618/SB1942

Should baiting be allowed on private land?

  • Yes

    Votes: 147 38.5%
  • No

    Votes: 178 46.6%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 57 14.9%

  • Total voters
    382

MidTennFisher

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I mentioned previously that I am for it. I hunt mostly on private land, my "free" time to hunt is extremely precious and not in abundance, therefore whatever I can do to improve my chances, I am in favor of.
Public Land - No
Your limited free time to hunt does not justify the huge list of negatives that come from pouring bait on the ground. All of us have limited time to hunt due to jobs and family, we still have to make the best decision for wildlife and baiting isn't it.
 

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Your limited free time to hunt does not justify the huge list of negatives that come from pouring bait on the ground. All of us have limited time to hunt due to jobs and family, we still have to make the best decision for wildlife and baiting isn't it.
Disagree with ya bro, too many other states already allow it. Remember, it's all about narrative. It is amazing how my college buddies who live and deer hunt in other states tell me that their state deer biologists don't have any real serious concerns about the practice. Remember, private property.
 

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Disagree with ya bro, too many other states already allow it. Remember, it's all about narrative. It is amazing how my college buddies who live and deer hunt in other states tell me that their state deer biologists don't have any real serious concerns about the practice. Remember, private property.

Much like their buck limits, season dates, rules and such, I don't give a care about what other States are doing. That's their business. This is Tennessee.
 

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I've seen it mentioned several times; for all those that are for baiting on private land, but against it on public, why not allow it on public? If the surrounding properties are allowed to pull deer off public land and hold them there with bait, why shouldn't public land hunters be allowed to bait and bring them back onto public land?

For the record. I'm against politicians making wildlife laws of any type; whether I'm for or against them. I'd rather take my chances with the Wildlife Commissioners than these three.

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And I could still care less about baiting for deer. If we could harm the population of deer by baiting, they would now be extinct in MS (after bait was legalized 6 or 7 years ago). It's universal down here.

It just isn't that big of a deal when it comes to deer. Same gimmick as when I started hunting as a 12yo and I had to put red fox pee on my boots on the walk in so deer couldn't smell my tracks. Baiting is just a gimmick. Those that buy into it will kill a buck once in a while and swear it was because of the cornpile. While savvy hunters will kill 2 good bucks a year away from the bait.

Sure, baiting may work if you are the only one doing it in 5 Sq miles... but once it's legalized, there will be a baitpile every 50 acres.... and the magic disappears.

The illegal baiters need to be pushing hard to keep it illegal... as it gives them a slight advantage. But those pushing for legalizing baiting who currently hunt legally are just in for a pile of $$$$ wasted.

Again, I don't give a rats ass about baiting for deer. Just another gimmick/crutch which isn't really effective. I'm just opposed to legalizing it for deer because it opens the door for legalizing it for turkeys...

****, turn me loose with a baitpile and I guarantee you I could kill every tom in a square mile... its just that easy to wipe out turkeys with bait.
Just curious, do you think baiting has contributed to the spread of CWD in MS? It's in three parts of the state down there right?
 

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Much like their buck limits, season dates, rules and such, I don't give a care about what other States are doing. That's their business. This is Tennessee.
The point being made is that the "narrative" being presented is that it is so harmful for the herd. I have to believe that biologist in other states believe and care about the health of their herd as well. Pouring corn on the ground is pouring corn on the ground.
If it's bad for deer in Texas, Mississippi and other states, then it is bad for deer in the Volunteer state and vice versa.
 

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Disagree with ya bro, too many other states already allow it. Remember, it's all about narrative. It is amazing how my college buddies who live and deer hunt in other states tell me that their state deer biologists don't have any real serious concerns about the practice. Remember, private property.
The "it's private property" argument doesn't hold water. Wildlife is owned by the public, not by a private land owner.

By the "it's private property" argument, should landowners be able to shoot deer at night with a Q beam, kill hen turkeys in June, and kill ducks in March? None of those would be good decisions for wildlife. Nor is baiting.
 

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The point being made is that the "narrative" being presented is that it is so harmful for the herd. I have to believe that biologist in other states believe and care about the health of their herd as well. Pouring corn on the ground is pouring corn on the ground.
If it's bad for deer in Texas, Mississippi and other states, then it is bad for deer in the Volunteer state and vice versa.

Page after page of conversation and intelligent answers about why baiting is not good for all wildlife, not just deer, have been given here. I heard someone say that killing a deer here just isn't that hard any more. Evidently, that's not the case. If someone wants to sit over a pile of corn and call it sportsman-like, that's laughable to me. Hunting IS supposed to be fair chase.

And the Texas version of hunting deer is never NOT funny. Sitting in boxes over corn is a knee slapper.
 
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MidTennFisher

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Disagree with ya bro, too many other states already allow it. Remember, it's all about narrative. It is amazing how my college buddies who live and deer hunt in other states tell me that their state deer biologists don't have any real serious concerns about the practice. Remember, private property.
You spelled "the deer biologists know that legalized baiting sells more licenses" wrong. Also, it is a lot less effort for a state agency to just make it legal than go through all the trouble to investigate and charge people who do it if it were illegal.

Government employees aren't exactly known for hard work.
 

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I've been sharing this conversation with a couple of my Texas buddies,
Here is one of their replies…
110%…way too big of a $ game in Texas for the research not to provide enough evidence of the good outweighing the bad
 

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In other words, if it were that many negative or harmful factors in baiting, they would address it.
Go ahead and go Karen on me… I could care less. 😂
 

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Just curious, do you think baiting has contributed to the spread of CWD in MS? It's in three parts of the state down there right?
Nope. Unless it was illegal baiting (which would be impossible to prove) as it started in SW TN just across the line where there theoretically was no baiting, spread like wildfire and then spilled over into MS.

It being spread to small outbreaks (1 or 2 isolated cases 10s or 100s of miles away) is from hunters moving contaminated carcasses or it arises de novo on the landscape.

I don't really think baiting will cause CWD to migrate/ spread geographically. I do think baiting will increase positivity rates in an endemic area, however.
 

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I've been sharing this conversation with a couple of my Texas buddies,
Here is one of their replies…
110%…way too big of a $ game in Texas for the research not to provide enough evidence of the good outweighing the bad
I read it as them admitting the same thing I said, money drives this. There is way too much money at stake in Texas to make baiting illegal.

The money aspect is why the "research" hasn't concluded that baiting is bad for wildlife. Can you imagine being the biologist in Texas that presents irrefutable evidence that baiting is bad for wildlife? They'd burn you alive.
 

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way too big of a $ game in Texas for the research not to provide enough evidence of the good outweighing the bad
In other words, if it were that many negative or harmful factors in baiting, they would address it.

They did address it. Texas mandates that any corn sold as wildlife feed must be tested and certified aflatoxin free. Baiting with non-cert corn in Texas is illegal. And they're strict about it. You can't buy non-cert corn there because it isn't sold.

Since TX keeps coming up, a better question would be if baiting and aflatoxins aren't that big a deal then why would TX go to such lengths to protect their wildlife resources from it? My guess is because all that money & research commanded it. Unlike TN, TX is loaded to the hilt with professional game ranches. Their wildlife is their living, a major industry in west & south TX that employs a significant portion of the population whether directly or in support of. I lived in Del Rio for a year and spent plenty time in Uvalde. Hunting ranches absolutely rule the economy. Baiting is an enormous part of selling hunts, yet aflatoxic mold in corn damages the wildlife they are selling. It was a conundrum they had to find a solution to. The economy literally depended on it. So they outlawed toxic corn and are very serious about enforcing it.

Furthermore, TX is by far & large a pretty arid state with significantly less rainfall than TN. On corn that is already tested to be free of aflatoxin mold, it's significantly less likely to acquire the mold even when poured on the ground. It gets poured out dry and it stays dry, dry enough to not mold. That isn't the case here in TN. Pour corn out tonight and it might have mold on it by morning. It's really hard to draw comparison between the two states in any way that relates to baiting.
 

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I've seen it mentioned several times; for all those that are for baiting on private land, but against it on public, why not allow it on public? If the surrounding properties are allowed to pull deer off public land and hold them there with bait, why shouldn't public land hunters be allowed to bait and bring them back onto public land?

For the record. I'm against politicians making wildlife laws of any type; whether I'm for or against them. I'd rather take my chances with the Wildlife Commissioners than these three.

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I used to agree, but I now view the commission and upper at TWRA as being no different than these guys. They are probably just as crooked.
 
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They did address it. Texas mandates that any corn sold as wildlife feed must be tested and certified aflatoxin free. Baiting with non-cert corn in Texas is illegal. And they're strict about it. You can't buy non-cert corn there because it isn't sold.

Since TX keeps coming up, a better question would be if baiting and aflatoxins aren't that big a deal then why would TX go to such lengths to protect their wildlife resources from it? My guess is because all that money & research commanded it. Unlike TN, TX is loaded to the hilt with professional game ranches. Their wildlife is their living, a major industry in west & south TX that employs a significant portion of the population whether directly or in support of. I lived in Del Rio for a year and spent plenty time in Uvalde. Hunting ranches absolutely rule the economy. Baiting is an enormous part of selling hunts, yet aflatoxic mold in corn damages the wildlife they are selling. It was a conundrum they had to find a solution to. The economy literally depended on it. So they outlawed toxic corn and are very serious about enforcing it.

Furthermore, TX is by far & large a pretty arid state with significantly less rainfall than TN. On corn that is already tested to be free of aflatoxin mold, it's significantly less likely to acquire the mold even when poured on the ground. It gets poured out dry and it stays dry, dry enough to not mold. That isn't the case here in TN. Pour corn out tonight and it might have mold on it by morning. It's really hard to draw comparison between the two states in any way that relates to baiting.
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The "it's private property" argument doesn't hold water. Wildlife is owned by the public, not by a private land owner.

By the "it's private property" argument, should landowners be able to shoot deer at night with a Q beam, kill hen turkeys in June, and kill ducks in March? None of those would be good decisions for wildlife. Nor is baiting.
Try to remember what you all say please . You say deer rarely come to a bait station then you say it will pull all the deer from public so which is it ? So say what you mean please. . And for the record " no one owns the deer " they are wildlife.
 

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