Baiting Bill HB1618/SB1942

This thread is a perfect example of the death of hunting

Hunters will be the death of hunting not anti hunters or non hunters

We argued amongst ourselves. No one has respect for a healthy debate.

Name calling and such

Don't get me wrong I have done my share and not perfect by no means

Deer Assassin said:

This thread is a perfect example of the death of hunting

Hunters will be the death of hunting not anti hunters or non hunters

We argued amongst ourselves. No one has respect for a healthy debate.

Name calling and such

Don't get me wrong I have done my share and not perfect by no means

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Yep name calling, accusations. And turn around and swear everyone else I'd the problem

Hawk103161 said:

This is as close as any one has come to acknowledge that it can happen even in the normal routine of Farming. There is a risk it's just acceptable because the good outweighs the bad. This is true in many facets of life.

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For sure a risk with farm spillage. I never have denied that. But it's a necessary evil that we can't really avoid. Baiting is unnecessary and can be avoided. To me if the risk can be mitigated then why is it even an argument?

Deer Assassin said:

This thread is a perfect example of the death of hunting

Hunters will be the death of hunting not anti hunters or non hunters

We argued amongst ourselves. No one has respect for a healthy debate.

Name calling and such

Don't get me wrong I have done my share and not perfect by no means

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Most have kept it very civil but you always have a few. In todays world people have a huge problem with being wrong and rarely admit when they are. That kind of attitude keeps someone from growing and learning. I make it a point the older i get to listen and learn as much as possible. The older i get the more i realize how little I know!

Hillbilly Hunter said:

Most have kept it very civil but you always have a few. In todays world people have a huge problem with being wrong and rarely admit when they are. That kind of attitude keeps someone from growing and learning. I make it a point the older i get to listen and learn as much as possible. The older i get the more i realize how little I know!

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I agree
Like the old saying 2 ear 1 mouth
Listen 2x more than talk.

Deer Assassin said:

Listen 2x more than talk.

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I wish somebody would tell my wife that.

Deer Assassin said:

This thread is a perfect example of the death of hunting

Hunters will be the death of hunting not anti hunters or non hunters

We argued amongst ourselves. No one has respect for a healthy debate.

Name calling and such

Don't get me wrong I have done my share and not perfect by no means

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I completely see your point and if very well may happen. But maybe am optimistic but I see a bunch of people passionate about hunting. And having people passionate about hunting means it'll never die. No different then a marriage or anything else Noone ever agrees 100 percent doesn't mean it has to end badly.

deerhunter10 said:

I completely see your point and if very well may happen. But maybe am optimistic but I see a bunch of people passionate about hunting. And having people passionate about hunting means it'll never die. No different then a marriage or anything else Noone ever agrees 100 percent doesn't mean it has to end badly.

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Good post! I see a bunch of people passionate about hunting also, but only half of them passionate about wildlife management.

Ski said:

I wish somebody would tell my wife that.

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Tell her twice in case it doesn't take the first time

TheLBLman said:

EVEN WORSE, is legally allowing hunting over bait (baiting) on the private lands surrounding the public lands?

If you look at at only a half-mile wide perimeter of private land around most public lands, that "band" of private property often exceeds the acreage of the public land being surrounded.

The deer on the public land are the same deer on the private land.
Deer (and ducks, and doves, and all wildlife) belong to the public, not the private landowner.

Should it be a private property right to be able to "lure" public deer off public lands with methods not legal for hunters on public lands? That would be like saying the laws don't apply to politicians, but the general public must obey the laws the political class is allowed to exploit?

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Hell, that's the only way I can kill a turkey on public in SE MS... I find spots on public I can walk a mile or two to reach private with a pretty green field. Call the birds off private cornfeeders onto public, then kill them on public.

megalomaniac said:

Could care less for deer... I dont think it really helps, and often hurts success on mature bucks.

I'm opposed to it because it opens the door for even more illegal baiting for turkeys

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19 pages later...

And I could still care less about baiting for deer. If we could harm the population of deer by baiting, they would now be extinct in MS (after bait was legalized 6 or 7 years ago). It's universal down here.

It just isn't that big of a deal when it comes to deer. Same gimmick as when I started hunting as a 12yo and I had to put red fox pee on my boots on the walk in so deer couldn't smell my tracks. Baiting is just a gimmick. Those that buy into it will kill a buck once in a while and swear it was because of the cornpile. While savvy hunters will kill 2 good bucks a year away from the bait.

Sure, baiting may work if you are the only one doing it in 5 Sq miles... but once it's legalized, there will be a baitpile every 50 acres.... and the magic disappears.

The illegal baiters need to be pushing hard to keep it illegal... as it gives them a slight advantage. But those pushing for legalizing baiting who currently hunt legally are just in for a pile of $$$$ wasted.

Again, I don't give a rats ass about baiting for deer. Just another gimmick/crutch which isn't really effective. I'm just opposed to legalizing it for deer because it opens the door for legalizing it for turkeys...

yugo, turn me loose with a baitpile and I guarantee you I could kill every tom in a square mile... its just that easy to wipe out turkeys with bait.

I don't think it's realistic to think we're going to stop feeding/baiting. I do think we could get people to scatter bait/feed with a little education. We (hunters) are a dying breed boys, numbers drop ever year. We need to think about the future of the sport. Hell, is it even a sport or a way to provide for your family if things get real bad? I think anything we can do to safely bring more people into hunting the better off we are. No trad bow hunter started with a stick bow. He started with a rifle when he was young. We all look for ways to make the hunt more exciting. If a fella has to start hunting over a corn feeder, so be it. After he's killed some does, he'll realize the mature bucks are killed in the woods, not in a big food plot with a feeder in the middle.

Hillbilly Hunter said:

Most have kept it very civil but you always have a few. In todays world people have a huge problem with being wrong and rarely admit when they are. That kind of attitude keeps someone from growing and learning. I make it a point the older i get to listen and learn as much as possible. The older i get the more i realize how little I know!

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Tell that to the anti-baiters because they started the name calling . Everyone has an opinion and the right to express it . I'll admit l did sling one back but if you throw rocks at me if I'm able you can bet I'll throw one back eventually. And just because one has an opinion who deems one wrong and the other one right ???? I've had to repent over this thread anyways . To set the record straight it wasn't you HH .

‭‭Proverbs 16:2 KJV‬‬
[2] All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; But the LORD weigheth the spirits.

A big NO to baiting in Tn .

Snake said:

Tell that to the anti-baiters because they started the name calling . Everyone has an opinion and the right to express it . I'll admit l did sling one back but if you throw rocks at me if I'm able you can bet I'll throw one back eventually. And just because one has an opinion who deems one wrong and the other one right ???? I've had to repent over this thread anyways . To set the record straight it wasn't you HH .

‭‭Proverbs 16:2 KJV‬‬
[2] All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; But the LORD weigheth the spirits.

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I wasn't referring to you sir. I didn't notice that you did. It was a general statement. I only talk smack in the sports forum! LOL I try to keep my personal opinions to my self unless those opinions were formed from facts that have been proven. I respect your opinions and everyone elses, even if I don't agree with everyone. I think it is healthy to debate as long as everyone stays civil about it.

megalomaniac said:

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And I could still care less about baiting for deer. If we could harm the population of deer by baiting, they would now be extinct in MS (after bait was legalized 6 or 7 years ago). It's universal down here.

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Mega....always look forward to your comments on various topics...so with all due respect, nowhere in 19 pages has anyone suggested that deer would be harmed by baiting to the point of extintion?
(if someone said that I missed it?)
I'll admit...l'm surprised, with you being such a passionate turkey hunter, that you could care less about corn piles dotting the landscape while knowing the risk feeding corn brings...like feeding coons and other nest raiiders, giving predators feed stations to focus on knowing the turkeys are coming, possible aflatoxin issues with poults, etc.
With turkey numbers on the decrease in Mississippi and other states its seems as though managers would not want the turkey to face additional challenges that baiting can bring....but you do bring up another great point the anti-baiters can add to the long list of the negatives of baiting... its a total waste of money....a waste of money that could be spent on something more benifical to wildlife....that we agree on.

These House and Senate bills allow for hunting turkeys and ducks over bait. If you guys want to see name calling, start a thread on the turkey forum or duck forum about them. That would start the name calling.

In reality, I think most posters have been pretty cordial and that the majority of these 19 pages have been a good discussion.

Buzzard Breath said:

In reality, I think most posters have been pretty cordial and that the majority of these 19 pages have been a good discussion.

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I agree...good discussion and people are going to be passionate about something thats important to them...understandable.

I am for it since I'm disabled. It is hard for me to be a "real" hunter anymore since I can barely walk. I do legally bait all year for hogs. All it seems to do is attract bears. Once the bears find the feeder, the hogs and deer disappear. Now if I could bait for BEARS I would do it in a heartbeat. I hate those sorry sons of so and so. It is so rare to see a deer hit my feeder it is almost an anomaly and it is always late night. Now I get lots of squirrel pictures on my cameras. The area I hunt was clear cut and strip mined at one time and there are almost zero mature hardwood trees, so I don't mind feeding the squirrels.

The only time I have even shot at a deer on that property was when I took my ATV way up a very dangerous mountain. No bait for at least a mile. The biggest problem I have around that area is dogs that are allowed to just run all over the place.

I mentioned previously that I am for it. I hunt mostly on private land, my "free" time to hunt is extremely precious and not in abundance, therefore whatever I can do to improve my chances, I am in favor of.
Public Land - No