Baiting Bill HB1618/SB1942

[gladesman60]

From what I've been told killing is happening not by hunters but by aflatoxin. What's the difference dead is dead ?
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.y guess would be that regulated hunting is not going to wipe out a whole flock of turkeys. A pile of corn infected with Aflatoxin can.

 

[Snake]

I'm not condoning anything-just trying to write some things in crayon so some folks might understand.

TWRA knows baiting is detrimental for other wildlife and would eliminate it if they had a say. The regulations dealing with the eradication of hogs is a major outlier. Hogs, IMO, are probably the second greatest threat to wildlife in the state with the CWD issue being the worst. The regs passed by the Commission were an attempt to slow down the spread after it became pretty apparent that some legislators were going to pass some laws that would have turned it into a total nightmare.

But, continue on with your rant.

This is America I think I will because you're hiding behind the narrative . Once told about all the other things harmful to wildlife so why be in favor of another ? Look brother I appreciate what you bring to this site and hold you in high regard but please don't talk down to me . If my opinion is a rant so is yours . I put my pants on like others maybe a little slower though . Think I'll rest No hard feelings intended though love ya ...good debate .

 

[Snake]

.y guess would be that regulated hunting is not going to wipe out a whole flock of turkeys. A pile of corn infected with Aflatoxin can.

Believe that's what I said brother.

 

[Bull_TN]

Sure, you should be able to do whatever you want on your property regardless of the impacts to neighbors, wildlife, environment etc

They'll let me bulldoze every tree, stack them in a pile, burn them, take the ground to bare dirt, and build a subdivision. If that's okay, why not let property owners do whatever they want? It's hard for me to think of anything worse for wildlife.

 

[scn]

They'll let me bulldoze every tree, stack them in a pile, burn them, take the ground to bare dirt, and build a subdivision. If that's okay, why not let property owners do whatever they want? It's hard for me to think of anything worse for wildlife.

It's worse for wildlife because turkeys can come into your property from other properties that aren't doing stupid things and eat your tainted corn and die.

 

[Bull_TN]

It's worse for wildlife because turkeys can come into your property from other properties that aren't doing stupid things and eat your tainted corn and die.

You're making a lot of assumptions there brother. First, there is no corn, tainted or otherwise on my property, but that doesn't mean I have to oppose the practice. I've stated many times that I think it should be part of the law to require bait and feeders to spread food. Piles of any type of bait are not a good thing. Spread it out and CWD transmission goes down, corn doesn't mold, etc. If you think subdivision development is less impactful to wildlife than the possibility of bait molding and killing a turkey, you might want to rethink the next time you use the phrase "sTuPiD tHiNgS".

 

[DoubleRidge]

But still the main narrative is that the bathing is detrimental to other wildlife come on..... that's all I've heard on this thread !!! If your main stance is just what I've said then stick with it and not condone TWRA just because you were employed by them !!
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Hogs are detrimental to the habitat.

How do we expect TWRA to manage them?

How else do you eradicate hogs without baiting them into a trap?

Hog traps with bait are a tool to benifit wildlife habitat in the future....I dont see it as a contradiction to the fact that feeding wildlife is bad?

Also I would guess that the number of baited hog traps are much lower than what the number of bait sites would be if baiting were to be made legal.

 

[DoubleRidge]

You're making a lot of assumptions there brother. First, there is no corn, tainted or otherwise on my property, but that doesn't mean I have to oppose the practice. I've stated many times that I think it should be part of the law to require bait and feeders to spread food. Piles of any type of bait are not a good thing. Spread it out and CWD transmission goes down, corn doesn't mold, etc. If you think subdivision development is less impactful to wildlife than the possibility of bait molding and killing a turkey, you might want to rethink the next time you use the phrase "sTuPiD tHiNgS".

I hate subdivision expansion. I hate to see habitat destroyed. But TWRA doesnt manage or regulate subdivision construction?
So you are saying that because you can clear your land and destroy habitat by building houses...that this justifies someone baiting on private land? Trying to follow?

 

[scn]

You're making a lot of assumptions there brother. First, there is no corn, tainted or otherwise on my property, but that doesn't mean I have to oppose the practice. I've stated many times that I think it should be part of the law to require bait and feeders to spread food. Piles of any type of bait are not a good thing. Spread it out and CWD transmission goes down, corn doesn't mold, etc. If you think subdivision development is less impactful to wildlife than the possibility of bait molding and killing a turkey, you might want to rethink the next time you use the phrase "sTuPiD tHiNgS".

I wasn't referring to you on the stupid things just like you weren't referring to you on cutting down everything on your property. It was a generality. But, it seems to have struck a nerve........

 

[Hawk103161]

It's worse for wildlife because turkeys can come into your property from other properties that aren't doing stupid things and eat your tainted corn and die.

They can also come on my property and I let the Air out. You say Aflatoxin did it. PS no more stupid that you letting your house cat run wild....

 

[TheLBLman]

Often, we have to decide the lesser of two evils.

The expansion of feral pigs is a greater evil than the evil of any method used in attempt to eradicate them (such as baiting them with corn for the purpose of wiping them out).

Unlike killing deer over bait statewide, feral pigs are being baited for killing in only those relatively few locations they exist (primarily existing in high enough numbers to justify all methods for trying to kill them).

We also trap feral pigs, but that doesn't mean we should trap deer, just to make it easier to kill those deer.

We are also using helicopters to shoot feral pigs from the sky, but I don't think that method should be legalized for statewide deer hunting.

 

[Chaneylake]

What is the current price of corn per bushel????

 

[Hunter79]

Often, we have to decide the lesser of two evils.

The expansion of feral pigs is a greater evil than the evil of any method used in attempt to eradicate them (such as baiting them with corn for the purpose of wiping them out).

Unlike killing deer over bait statewide, feral pigs are being baited for killing in only those relatively few locations they exist (primarily existing in high enough numbers to justify all methods for trying to kill them).

We also trap feral pigs, but that doesn't mean we should trap deer, just to make it easier to kill those deer.

We are also using helicopters to shoot feral pigs from the sky, but I don't think that method should be legalized for statewide deer hunting.

Sounds plausible except for the fact that TWRA stopped hog hunting on all public lands some years back!I already know the explanation is that(people were trapping them and moving them around even claimed them being brought in from out of state.making more of a problem) but you do realize this is gonna happen by the majority of the ones doing it regardless. I'm certain that TN public land orange army could help more by being allowed to harvest them while hunting then the problem they claim it causes.I think for myself and look at what's in front of me I don't listen to everything the powers that be tell me (and say oh well that's what they said so it must be true) If it is as big of problem as they claim and we must use all means for the greater good I'd say the licensed public hunters of TN would be a big help.However deer hunters killing hogs just must be worse for our wildlife than this poisen corn were allowed to use to bait them with.

 

[ImThere]

Don't tell me what I can or cannot do on my own property!

 

[ImThere]

Learn to hunt

 

[ImThere]

Any wildlife feeding should be outlawed including bird feeders.

 

[ImThere]

It's only against the law if you get caught

 

[deerhunter10]

What is the current price of corn per bushel????

Market is around 4 dollars. I don't know what it cost per bag probably around 12 a bad I would guess.

 

[Hridge]

Bills introduced to allow baiting on private land. Your thoughts?

I think it is not a big deal. Unfortunately I know people who feed corn year round. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Actually makes the deer hunting harder as the deer mostly go nocturnal. I'm not in favor of it but don't think it will change much. Most everyone around me seems to do it. The game warden busted a landowner next to me but he's right back at it. Now wardens can't go on their property without permission.

 

[Chaneylake]

Market is around 4 dollars. I don't know what it cost per bag probably around 12 a bad I would guess.

Danyum. I had 280 + acres last year. Crows are still still eating on it.