Sooners and Longhorns to the SEC?

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Probably the first step in moving to 16 team conferences. SEC, ACC, Big10+more, and PAC. Form 4 super-conferences and break away from under the NCAA thumb.
 

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I kind of doubt it but they are apparently interested. Both respectable teams but I think the SEC would expose them overall

Interesting. Was going to post the same, but you beat me to it.

I agree that we are headed to 4 "super conferences" and the NCAA will oversee the olympic sports, except not basketball.

Back when the last round of conference expansion occurred, rumors were that Oklahoma and Texas were looking at the Big Ten. However, I read at that time that under both Oklahoma and Texas state law, Oklahoma is tied to Okie State and Texas is tied to Texas Tech. You take one, you have to take the other. Maybe that wasn't true. In any event, state law can be changed. Regardless, only Texas would have qualified to be a member university of the Big Ten.

I wonder what aTm thinks about this? They aren't happy if this is true.

The big issue for the Big 12 (and why aTm, Missouri, Colorado left) is the Longhorn Network. That media rights contract runs out in 4 years so this is probably that far away. The SEC Network and the Longhorn Network will not co-exist, which is why there is no Big 12 Network.
 

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Alabama and Auburn to the east?
Yeah, and Mizzou to the west (where it really should be anyway). That way they can get rid of the mostly contrived "traditional rivalry" cross division games.
The biggest problem I see is the West will end up looking like BIG-12 refugees plus Ole Miss, Miss State and LSU while the East will look more like the "old SEC."
 

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Yeah, and Mizzou to the west (where it really should be anyway). That way they can get rid of the mostly contrived "traditional rivalry" cross division games.
The biggest problem I see is the West will end up looking like BIG-12 refugees plus Ole Miss, Miss State and LSU while the East will look more like the "old SEC."
i'm ok with that honestly
 

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I'm not. I think it'll cause the conference to lose a lot of the continuity that's helped make it so special. You'll essentially have two mini conferences that meet to play for a guaranteed playoff spot.
Playoffs will soon be expanded to more teams.
Also seeing some chatter of the SEC being broke down into 4 divisions. May be nothing to it though
 

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Its going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out. Would not mind seeing Texas in the SEC. Not sure how I feel about Oklahoma. auburn moving to the east? Now that would make me LOL for days. ALABAMA is moving no where.
 

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This makes no sense for the SEC and I'm highly skeptical. First, has nothing to do with FOOOOOTBALLLLL. It only makes sense for eyeballs and clicks. ESPN (and Fox) already have the Big 12 and that media rights deal expires in 2025. Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to appear on TV unless the Big 12 agrees and ESPN agrees. Again, ESPN already has Texas and Oklahoma, what does it get? What does the SEC get? The conference gets Dallas. That's a plum. #4 largest metro area in the US. No one lives in Oklahoma, and the SEC has Houston via aTm. The SEC just signed a new media rights deal with ESPN that goes into effect in 2023. 14 + 2 = less ESPN revenue for the current 14 schools. And if ESPN isn't paying the Big 12 enough to broadcast Texas and OU games, why would it pay the SEC more so that (a) the current SEC schools don't lose revenue on this expansion, and (b) Texas and OU get more than they currently do from the Big 12 media rights deal with ESPN and Fox? And, Texas/ESPN would let the Longhorn Network die (but I think that's 2025 also, but it's also $14 million in revenue that Texas is going to want to join the SEC). All that the SEC gets are the eyeballs of Dallas. It's all about the eyeballs and clicks, which only gets more important as more people cut the cord and just stream.

Currently, the SEC is in two of the 10 largest metro areas - Houston #5 and Atlanta #9. Like I said, this only gets the SEC #4 Dallas, and ESPN already has that. Why are they going to pay up for it? By comparison, the Big Ten currently has four of the top 10 metro areas - NYC #1, Chicago #3, Washington DC #5, and Philadelphia #8, plus Detroit #14 and Minneapolis #16. The SEC has no metro areas in 10-20, except it shares St. Louis #20 with the Big Ten. So Big Ten currently has six of the top 20 and another five or 11 of the top 35 (Baltimore #21, Cincinnati #30, Columbus #32, Indianapolis #33, and Cleveland #34). SEC currently has only three of the top 35 metro areas (Houston, Atlanta, and Kansas City, which it also shares with the Big 12 (Kansas)). Nashville is just outside at #36.

It's ludicrous to think that Ohio State and Michigan would join the SEC. This is just insanity. Ohio State revenue last year was $7.5 BILLION, and only $250 million of that was from the athletic department. Football and basketball are a drop in the bucket compared to the billions in medical research revenue that Ohio State would lose by leaving the Big Ten and joining the SEC.

Mark my word. The Big Ten will expand. Their last expansion was East to get the eyeballs and clicks of NYC and WDC. The Big Ten has always looked West and rumors are discussions are now starting. Both the Big Ten and Pac 12 media rights deals with Fox and ESPN end in 2024. It's going to be USC and/or UCLA (word is UCLA has already reached out), plus Colorado and Oregon (also rumored to have reached out to the Big Ten), but the Big Ten is going to want Arizona State (for Phoenix #10 metro), probably UW (for #15 Seattle), and the biggest prize of all as far as the research consortium is concerned, Stanford. Athletics has always just been a way for the Big Ten to expand its research consortium where the real money is.
 

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This makes no sense for the SEC and I'm highly skeptical. First, has nothing to do with FOOOOOTBALLLLL. It only makes sense for eyeballs and clicks. ESPN (and Fox) already have the Big 12 and that media rights deal expires in 2025. Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to appear on TV unless the Big 12 agrees and ESPN agrees. Again, ESPN already has Texas and Oklahoma, what does it get? What does the SEC get? The conference gets Dallas. That's a plum. #4 largest metro area in the US. No one lives in Oklahoma, and the SEC has Houston via aTm. The SEC just signed a new media rights deal with ESPN that goes into effect in 2023. 14 + 2 = less ESPN revenue for the current 14 schools. And if ESPN isn't paying the Big 12 enough to broadcast Texas and OU games, why would it pay the SEC more so that (a) the current SEC schools don't lose revenue on this expansion, and (b) Texas and OU get more than they currently do from the Big 12 media rights deal with ESPN and Fox? And, Texas/ESPN would let the Longhorn Network die (but I think that's 2025 also, but it's also $14 million in revenue that Texas is going to want to join the SEC). All that the SEC gets are the eyeballs of Dallas. It's all about the eyeballs and clicks, which only gets more important as more people cut the cord and just stream.

Currently, the SEC is in two of the 10 largest metro areas - Houston #5 and Atlanta #9. Like I said, this only gets the SEC #4 Dallas, and ESPN already has that. Why are they going to pay up for it? By comparison, the Big Ten currently has four of the top 10 metro areas - NYC #1, Chicago #3, Washington DC #5, and Philadelphia #8, plus Detroit #14 and Minneapolis #16. The SEC has no metro areas in 10-20, except it shares St. Louis #20 with the Big Ten. So Big Ten currently has six of the top 20 and another five or 11 of the top 35 (Baltimore #21, Cincinnati #30, Columbus #32, Indianapolis #33, and Cleveland #34). SEC currently has only three of the top 35 metro areas (Houston, Atlanta, and Kansas City, which it also shares with the Big 12 (Kansas)). Nashville is just outside at #36.

It's ludicrous to think that Ohio State and Michigan would join the SEC. This is just insanity. Ohio State revenue last year was $7.5 BILLION, and only $250 million of that was from the athletic department. Football and basketball are a drop in the bucket compared to the billions in medical research revenue that Ohio State would lose by leaving the Big Ten and joining the SEC.

Mark my word. The Big Ten will expand. Their last expansion was East to get the eyeballs and clicks of NYC and WDC. The Big Ten has always looked West and rumors are discussions are now starting. Both the Big Ten and Pac 12 media rights deals with Fox and ESPN end in 2024. It's going to be USC and/or UCLA (word is UCLA has already reached out), plus Colorado and Oregon (also rumored to have reached out to the Big Ten), but the Big Ten is going to want Arizona State (for Phoenix #10 metro), probably UW (for #15 Seattle), and the biggest prize of all as far as the research consortium is concerned, Stanford. Athletics has always just been a way for the Big Ten to expand its research consortium where the real money is.
A shake up in the SEC could be a good thing.

Lets face it. There are some teams in the SEC that have not been relevent in a really long time and one that really never has been.

Would be nice to see some old rilveries rekindled and some new blood brought in. Im optomistic.
 

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A shake up in the SEC could be a good thing.

Lets face it. There are some teams in the SEC that have not been relevent in a really long time and one that really never has been.

Would be nice to see some old rilveries rekindled and some new blood brought in. Im optomistic.
You don’t get it do you? FOOOOTBALLLLL.
 

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. auburn moving to the east? Now that would make me LOL for days. ALABAMA is moving no where.
I'm a Bama fan and I've been an advocate of them and the Barners moving to the east for a while. I think it will improve the conference and allow them to get rid of those stupid cross division "rivalry" games. The only two that are true rivalries are Bama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia, and the move would put them all in the same division. Without the rivalry games, each team plays two different cross division teams each year. With OK and TX added to the mix, maybe they'll add a third cross division. As it sits now, I hate the fact that a student can attend an SEC school for 4 years, go to every game, and still not see his team play every team in the conference.
 

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