Going this morning to finish a permanent stand for my son to hunt out of. I have the platform built, and the ladder up. Just got to put shooting rails up, bench to sit on, and burlap for cover. He has killed 5 deer on the ground in the same spot I am building it. This should help us get our sent up and out of the way. Been busted on the ground a few times there. It is 54" by 50". 19 feet to the plat form. I have about $150 in it. We will not hunt it til the Muzzle loader, hunting a different place on the youth hunt. I think the deer will be use to it by the muzzle loader. Any one else hunt out of a permanent stand. I have another one built on the same tract of land, that I have killed probably 30 deer out of.