ImThere
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Make sure you put on that seatbelt tough guy!
Baiting Bill HB1618/SB1942
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Easy bobo, its a joke, not a Richard, dont take it so hard
Wildcat#32
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and you are ok with that??
Wildcat#32
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dont need no seatbelt!!! except when i go fill the feeder maybe!!
In SC the DNR recommended against legalizing baiting for deer.
The legislature ignored them because hunters not biologists wanted baiting for deer.
You can't blame the SCDNR for deer baiting in that state.
Unlike TN, the majority of hunters demanded it, right or wrong.
This was before CWD became more widespread in the southeast though.
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In Georgia it was the same way but legislators in that state could not agree on expanding baiting due to conflicts it would present with bird, turkey and bear hunters (baiting in GA is only legal for deer and hogs).
It was expanded statewide anyway except for public land.
Baiting for deer did not come from the state biologists.
At least the current text of the TN bills allows baiting for any species of hunted wildlife.
Not picking and choosing species but still allowing corn in the woods.
It was expanded statewide anyway except for public land.
Baiting for deer did not come from the state biologists.
At least the current text of the TN bills allows baiting for any species of hunted wildlife.
Not picking and choosing species but still allowing corn in the woods.
GreeneGriz
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Since high moisture corn kills wildlife, what are we going to do about all the moldy wet corn left to rot in fields after harvest that the deer and turkey and other wildlife seem to feed on all thru the season and afterwards? Are we going to ban that? And heaven forbid any of you holier than thou, ethical hunters sit anywhere near a picked corn field that has bushels and bushels of wet moldy wasted corn left behind after harvest. Not only are you hunting a baited field, but you're helping contribute to aflatoxin poisoning.
Ridgeline300
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FCA task force (federal corn agency) is going to be established and they are going to go around busting up corn feeders. No warrant needed so get ready you law breakers, lol!
In all honesty some things in life we can't control, does that mean we shouldn't control what we can?, corn fields are not as wide spread as they once were, they also are more efficient about spillage with the newer equipment on the big farms, I bet the picker I see every year is 50 years old maybe older, also less waste this year when they planted a different corn that was mostly 1-2 ears per stalk. not sure how that worked out for them but not a lot of loose.
A little research has shown one of the newest side effects of competitive baiting. Recently named, "JHS" or short for "Jabba the Hut" Syndrome, generational competitive baiting has caused some deer to literally explode in body growth, to the point that they have to be weighed on COOP scales, or dismembered by teams of hunters at the kill site.
It seems that playing the field and gorging on massive corn piles has its consequences. Again, more than a little disconcerting.
Film at 11.
It seems that playing the field and gorging on massive corn piles has its consequences. Again, more than a little disconcerting.
Film at 11.
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MidTennFisher
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I'd be willing to bet the legislature ignored them because the timber companies here have a lot of money and power. They know dang well the main draw to their land they lease out for hunt clubs is that people can dump corn and make it so easy to kill deer and they don't want to lose that side stream of income.
Several of us brought up aflatoxin in corn to SCDNR at recent meetings to discuss changes to the turkey seasons to help reverse the decline. They laughed off the idea that we'd ever end baiting here and even tried to dismiss the idea that aflatoxin was much of a concern. What a joke.
Oh yeah! Good ole grain finished venison is the bomb! Just be sure to lure them towards the truck before putting them down. Don't want to go dragging that chunk through the woods.
think I might faint if 1 like that came by me.
DoubleRidge
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The small amount of corn left in a field, laying in the sun and open air, is less likely to develop aflatoxins....verses a pile of corn thats in a shaded timber area with higher humidity....the justification for baiting conversation has gotten a bit ridiculous.
Bait with corn and do nothing to help wildlife and even risk poisoning turkey poults and song birds....or put forth a little effort and create natural habitat by opening the canopy and allowing sunlight to the forest floor....A bait pile does nothing to improve fawning or nesting cover...habitat work does...actually a bait pile can prop up nest raider populations and have the reverse effect.
So reading through this thread its clear that some are solely focused on themselves and whats best or easiest for them to kill deer and turkey...where others are focused on whats best for all wildlife.....call that an "holier than thou" opinion if you like...thats fine...but its an opinion backed up by experience and observation....you can get a greater return on investment from a gallon of chainsaw gas than a truckload of corn and in the process benifit all wildlife....to argue otherwise is just not logical...Thankfully the bill appears to be dieing so hopefully we can move on...its a great time of year to get out and shed hunt and start your next habitat project.
Bait with corn and do nothing to help wildlife and even risk poisoning turkey poults and song birds....or put forth a little effort and create natural habitat by opening the canopy and allowing sunlight to the forest floor....A bait pile does nothing to improve fawning or nesting cover...habitat work does...actually a bait pile can prop up nest raider populations and have the reverse effect.
So reading through this thread its clear that some are solely focused on themselves and whats best or easiest for them to kill deer and turkey...where others are focused on whats best for all wildlife.....call that an "holier than thou" opinion if you like...thats fine...but its an opinion backed up by experience and observation....you can get a greater return on investment from a gallon of chainsaw gas than a truckload of corn and in the process benifit all wildlife....to argue otherwise is just not logical...Thankfully the bill appears to be dieing so hopefully we can move on...its a great time of year to get out and shed hunt and start your next habitat project.
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I think some folks need to do a little research on aflatoxins. First, they are a chemical compound produced by multiple types of molds. They are not limited to rotting corn, and you can find aflatoxins on common food plot crops left to rot just as likely as corn piled on the ground. Hell, you can find aflatoxins on rotting tree nuts too. Should we start sweeping up the rotten acorns? They make corn that has been treated with an antifungal agent. This treated corn is required for baiting/feeding in some states. Aflatoxins are some the most carcinogenic substances on earth. Nobody wants animals to eat anything containing aflatoxins because it contaminates the meat. So all y'all trying to make arguments based on aflatoxins need to realize everyone is on the same page. They're bad and we all want them off the land, but using corn to feed deer (especially treated corn) is not the cause of aflatoxins being in the woods.
DoubleRidge
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I agree that there are multiple sources of aflatoxin.
I just dont see the benifit of adding another risk or source?...and the "deer corn" we see at the local Walmart and TSC is not certified....so why risk it?...spend that money on a proven habitat project that has zero risk...also there are plenty of other negatives associated with baiting which are not related to aflatoxins....but again, just my opinion.
I had a lease in KY for over 20 years and never hunted over corn or put it out. Baiting deer just seemed like a slob tactic to hunt America's greatest game animal. Kind of like running them with dogs or spotlighting them. It just never agreed with me and i don't think it's a good look for hunters either.
I'd rather sit there than over a corn pile.
Your singing to the choir . Same ole song and dance . They want you to listen to their side of things but your comments go on deaf ears . Talk in circles- easier to kill deer but a corn pile males deer begin to get nocturnal ..make up your cotton picking minds . So which is it easy or not easy ? And they tell you it's not about shooting a deer over a corn pile but it is.....
