ImThere
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Don't remember having a failed feeder crop?
I'm against both.
Baiting Bill HB1618/SB1942
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I'm against both.
Look at the byproduct of each then tell me if it is the same. 0 chance of other wildlife being harmed from food plots, can't say the same thing about throwing corn down. yep both will get deer killed but other critters might die from the corn thrown on the ground.
gladesman60
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No thanks. I don't/won't hunt over bait.
No it isn't, not even close.
holstonangler
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Food plots kills alot of wildlife.
megalomaniac
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We killed 11 deer on my place this year in TN... only 2 were killed on food plots (2 does same afternoon during ML to push the rest of the does off the plot as the clover was being overgrazed due to the drought and lack of growth. I plant plots to benefit the wildlife, attract deer from neighboring properties. The worst thing you can do for hunting success is actually kill deer on plots, as it makes them all nocturnal. I have hundreds of deer pics of 6 or 7 does just laying down in the middle of half acre plots at 2pm, because they know they are safe there.
MickThompson
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Taken off notice for calendar= not moving to the floor I believe
Wildcat#32
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when the state/government pays my property taxes then and only then will i entertain the idea of whether i can throw corn out or not!!!
deerhunter10
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Not to call you out but ive seen several posts along these lines. The state/government tells you to do a million things and you comply or you'd be in prison. Prime example is paying taxes we are merely renting the land we "own" don't agree with government hardly at all but it is what it is. Get caught deal with the consequences.
GreeneGriz
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Oh…you're one of those holier than thou know it alls. Lol lm glad I grew up and matured a little and chose making memories and experiencing things across the world instead of living in a self absorbed bubble and pushing my personal ethics and views on others.
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grill-n-man2
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I'd first like to know how many that say they are against it that hunt over bait commonly called a food plot
Next to address others bait commonly called a food plot only is helpful to a small hand full of animals but is specifically targeted for deer with turkeys being an additional bonus This same bait site allows deer to interact socially so the spread of disease is a far greater risk here as this type of baiting is in common practice all over the state with 0% law enforcement over it
Next if your so well I'll leave that word out to think that if this other type of baiting was legal that the only food source that would be utilized would be corn instead of the crazy number of stuff out there that contains much higher protein, vitamins, minerals etc well your. Also to the ones that think corn has no nutritional value then why in the world is it the number one crop and utilized worldwide
Oh I forgot they argument that animals are so stupid they don't know to eat rotten and/or fermented food
Either quite playing the word game and ticket the food plotters or legalize all of it.
And I don't won't to here that crap planting and germination crap. If it's a non natural occurring food source then it's bait. If Mother Nature didn't put it there it's bait. If the big man upstairs didn't put it there it's bait. Deal with it
Next to address others bait commonly called a food plot only is helpful to a small hand full of animals but is specifically targeted for deer with turkeys being an additional bonus This same bait site allows deer to interact socially so the spread of disease is a far greater risk here as this type of baiting is in common practice all over the state with 0% law enforcement over it
Next if your so well I'll leave that word out to think that if this other type of baiting was legal that the only food source that would be utilized would be corn instead of the crazy number of stuff out there that contains much higher protein, vitamins, minerals etc well your. Also to the ones that think corn has no nutritional value then why in the world is it the number one crop and utilized worldwide
Oh I forgot they argument that animals are so stupid they don't know to eat rotten and/or fermented food
Either quite playing the word game and ticket the food plotters or legalize all of it.
And I don't won't to here that crap planting and germination crap. If it's a non natural occurring food source then it's bait. If Mother Nature didn't put it there it's bait. If the big man upstairs didn't put it there it's bait. Deal with it
I'm really trying to deal with it. I gotta admit, it's kept me up nights. I've had nightmares where my body was found with my head stuck in a pile of corn, and a sign stapled to my corpse that read, " I've got your Aflatoxins, A$@@h@e."
It's been very disconcerting.
MidTennFisher
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South Carolina's turkeys are in horrible shape. While I do understand that the turkey decline is a multifaceted problem, bait piles are absolutely contributing to it.
Tennessee doesn't exactly want to mimic the semi retarded "wildlife management" of SCDNR. Trust me. TWRA does a much better job and I'd like to see that continue.
Baiting in SC and NC are set by the politicians not the wildlife agencies
The agencies in both states can only regulate baiting/feeding on public lands and its outlawed there
Biologists have no authority over baiting on private lands in SC and NC except maybe when it comes to CWD management
Both states ban baiting for game birds but not deer
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MidTennFisher
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Sure but the wildlife agency makes recommendations to the legislature so that they can pass new laws regarding management.
If they wanted to do the right thing, they'd recommend that baiting goes away. They don't do it because they don't care. There isn't a group of people SCDNR cares less about than hunters. That goes double for public land hunters.
So many biologists, so few diplomas 
TheLBLman
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Grill-n-man2 is correct, in that there are indeed generally more nutritional things to feed deer than corn.
1) It's the lowest cost, most available option.
2) Corn is a sugar starch, somewhat to a deer like candy is to a child.
Corn is a bigger "magnet" to deer than everything else that's more nutritional.
By comparison, soybeans are very high in protein, low in carbs.
One of the biggest corn products is "high fructose corn syrup" which is used worldwide as the the #1 sweetener of just about every "food" product that would otherwise utilize some other form of sugar as a sweetener.
"Sweet" sells, and high fructose corn syrup is the lowest cost sugar available.
But we hear all forms of sugar are generally unhealthy to all animals, including humans?
Birds are a very different situation. A single kernel of aflatoxin corn can kill an adult turkey. A tiny piece of aflatoxin cracked corn can kill a bobwhite quail or any songbird.
It may be that the most dangerous point is when corn has just developed (or has) aflatoxin, but still doesn't "look" (or smell) like anything is wrong with it. By the time deer would stop eating it, it's already killed the birds that ate it, most of which don't have a sense of smell like a deer.
But yes, corn does have nutritional value.
It is very high in carbohydrates, very low in protein.
It makes an excellent livestock feed to fatten up animals.
But during the spring/summer months, when protein is the primary nutrient driving bucks' antler growth, every pound of corn a velvet buck eats, may be one pound less of protein-rich clover, forbs, and ragweed that same buck eats. Those feeding corn may never be aware that "their" bucks might have grown larger antlers if they were NOT feeding corn. But those bucks will have fat bellies and "appear" healthy. Perhaps much like a fat kid, whose bone growth is stunted by too much sugar?
Of course, feeding corn to starving or malnourished deer should improve antler growth, too.
But the better solution is creating better habitat and a healthy deer herd?
Every conceivable way of doing this is even typically "cheaper" than "feeding" corn.
Few methods can compare as favorably as a chain saw and some annual mowing.
Corn is the most utilized, and unless made illegal, always will be, for two reasons:
1) It's the lowest cost, most available option.
2) Corn is a sugar starch, somewhat to a deer like candy is to a child.
Corn is a bigger "magnet" to deer than everything else that's more nutritional.
By comparison, soybeans are very high in protein, low in carbs.
Mainly because it can be produced relatively cheaply in large quantity.
One of the biggest corn products is "high fructose corn syrup" which is used worldwide as the the #1 sweetener of just about every "food" product that would otherwise utilize some other form of sugar as a sweetener.
"Sweet" sells, and high fructose corn syrup is the lowest cost sugar available.
But we hear all forms of sugar are generally unhealthy to all animals, including humans?
Adult deer (unless they were starving) will actually stop eating fermented corn that's developed aflatoxin, which typically doesn't kill deer, just may upset their stomach, and replace or displace more nutritional food items they might instead be eating.
Birds are a very different situation. A single kernel of aflatoxin corn can kill an adult turkey. A tiny piece of aflatoxin cracked corn can kill a bobwhite quail or any songbird.
It may be that the most dangerous point is when corn has just developed (or has) aflatoxin, but still doesn't "look" (or smell) like anything is wrong with it. By the time deer would stop eating it, it's already killed the birds that ate it, most of which don't have a sense of smell like a deer.
But yes, corn does have nutritional value.
It is very high in carbohydrates, very low in protein.
It makes an excellent livestock feed to fatten up animals.
But during the spring/summer months, when protein is the primary nutrient driving bucks' antler growth, every pound of corn a velvet buck eats, may be one pound less of protein-rich clover, forbs, and ragweed that same buck eats. Those feeding corn may never be aware that "their" bucks might have grown larger antlers if they were NOT feeding corn. But those bucks will have fat bellies and "appear" healthy. Perhaps much like a fat kid, whose bone growth is stunted by too much sugar?
Of course, feeding corn to starving or malnourished deer should improve antler growth, too.
But the better solution is creating better habitat and a healthy deer herd?
Every conceivable way of doing this is even typically "cheaper" than "feeding" corn.
Few methods can compare as favorably as a chain saw and some annual mowing.
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MidTennFisher
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Can it kill adult turkeys too? I've only read about it killing younger birds and I read somewhere an adult wouldn't succumb to it. Not that it matters, a young bird killed by aflatoxin never becomes an adult. Just curious if you've read that it can kill adult turkeys too.
MidTennFisher
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*In Joe Biden voice*... Come on man!! Having a college degree doesn't make anyone an authority on a topic, nor does not having one disqualify them from being knowledgeable on a topic.So many biologists, so few diplomas
How many PhD holders are running around right now telling us to eat bugs and drive an EV because if we keep eating meat and driving gas powered vehicles the world will burn up and we'll all die? You listen to what they say? My point exactly.
There is plenty of research available to back up all the statements against baiting in this thread. Almost all of it being from people with higher education in wildlife biology.
I don't have a medical degree so is it not possible for me to know that drinking soda and smoking cigarettes are bad for a person's health?
