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BSK

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This weather is really starting to worry me. We have Bradford Pears in full bloom in Nashville. In February. Please tell me this is not going to be a year where everything blooms in March and then we get a big freeze in April that kills all the fruit/nut crops like in 2007. Another acorn failure in my area would be an unmitigated disaster after losing the entire crop last year. In the 35 years I've been keeping records, we've never had two total failures in a row, but there's a first time for everything.
 

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I'm certainly hoping that it doesn't happen, but it probably will. The squirrels absolutely vacated our woods after the hickories were done and I was hoping for a few good late season hunts. I'd hate to have 2 bad years of squirrel hunting
 

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Lots of arctic cold poised that'll come down sooner or later. Blackberries are putting out buds already & blue birds have already shown up at my bird houses. Saw geese around ponds yesterday were paired up as well. Nats covered me up along creek yesterday running traps...

Good news is that La Nina is weakening.
 

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So we know what's coming. How do we plan for minimizing losses? What can a guy do to set his place apart from the disaster that's inevitably going to affect everybody? Seems like it could potentially be an opportunity really shine this coming fall.
 

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This weather is really starting to worry me. We have Bradford Pears in full bloom in Nashville. In February. Please tell me this is not going to be a year where everything blooms in March and then we get a big freeze in April that kills all the fruit/nut crops like in 2007. Another acorn failure in my area would be an unmitigated disaster after losing the entire crop last year. In the 35 years I've been keeping records, we've never had two total failures in a row, but there's a first time for everything.
I'm guessing over the millenia this has happened many times/
 

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So we know what's coming. How do we plan for minimizing losses? What can a guy do to set his place apart from the disaster that's inevitably going to affect everybody? Seems like it could potentially be an opportunity really shine this coming fall.
Easier said than done....but I've heard Dr. Craig Harper say it...."land managers need to manage for no acorn years and when the acorns do develop it's a bonus"
So how? Forest Stand Improvement, open the canopy, hack-n-squirt to kill less desirable trees and where possible, create burn units.... studies show that opening the canopy followed by prescribed burning can create 10x the amount of forage for deer verses a closed canopy forest.....yes back to back years with a total acorn crop failure is terrible for wildlife....but they will survive....but how can we manage the habitat where they actually can flourish during the no acorn years?.... sunlight to the forest floor, prescribed fire, herbicide application, food plots....again, not always easy and and bigger more lush food plots get expensive quick.....and as for fire, I spoke with our local TN Forestry Technician Tuesday about assistance with creating burn units and prescribed fire on our property....he said I needed to get on the list and that they were probably one year out on the waiting list....so....for now we are going to try to create as much early successional growth as possible with the bush hog and herbicide application...and we will certainly plant warn season food plots followed by cool season plots as the budgets allow.
 

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So we know what's coming. How do we plan for minimizing losses? What can a guy do to set his place apart from the disaster that's inevitably going to affect everybody? Seems like it could potentially be an opportunity really shine this coming fall.
I thought so. I thought my food plot program was going to be an incredible magnet. That turned out not to be the case. The deer simply left the area and concentrated on nearby ag fields all fall instead.
 

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I'm guessing over the millenia this has happened many times/
The problem will be the long-term effect on deer health. I expect to see a MAJOR decline in antler growth this year due to deer being in such poor shape over the winter months. This year's fawn crop will probably underperform their entire lives. Two years in a row could prove disastrous in the long-term.
 

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Easier said than done....but I've heard Dr. Craig Harper say it...."land managers need to manage for no acorn years and when the acorns do develop it's a bonus"
So how? Forest Stand Improvement, open the canopy, hack-n-squirt to kill less desirable trees and where possible, create burn units.... studies show that opening the canopy followed by prescribed burning can create 10x the amount of forage for deer verses a closed canopy forest.....yes back to back years with a total acorn crop failure is terrible for wildlife....but they will survive....but how can we manage the habitat where they actually can flourish during the no acorn years?.... sunlight to the forest floor, prescribed fire, herbicide application, food plots....again, not always easy and and bigger more lush food plots get expensive quick.....and as for fire, I spoke with our local TN Forestry Technician Tuesday about assistance with creating burn units and prescribed fire on our property....he said I needed to get on the list and that they were probably one year out on the waiting list....so....for now we are going to try to create as much early successional growth as possible with the bush hog and herbicide application...and we will certainly plant warn season food plots followed by cool season plots as the budgets allow.
I completely agree with everything you posted. However, in my situation getting deer to use my forest, no matter how well managed, has proven difficult when large agricultural bottomlands are nearby.
 

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I completely agree with everything you posted. However, in my situation getting deer to use my forest, no matter how well managed, has proven difficult when large agricultural bottomlands are nearby.
For your situation I see what your saying....but hopefully the majority of the big agriculture bottom land will be in soybean's this year...that will give the local herd a great source of high quality forage and help them recover.....our neighbors rotate between soybean's, corn and tobacco each year....and while I do appreciate the late season winter wheat cover crop that sometimes follows the tobacco...the soybean's are my favorite and the most beneficial in the summer growing season.
 

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I completely agree with everything you posted. However, in my situation getting deer to use my forest, no matter how well managed, has proven difficult when large agricultural bottomlands are nearby.
On the bright side, YOU do have those large agricultural bottomlands within your localized deer herd's range.

Come on up to central Stewart County (and on north thru LBL), and for most of the county, ANY cultivated ag fields are relatively rare. If we have a bad spring freeze soon now, we may need to start hunting the East TN mountains' for better odds at a larger antlered buck, even of the same age class!

The next few years may be good ones to travel to other states for deer hunting (especially areas of "Big Ag")?
 

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Easier said than done....but I've heard Dr. Craig Harper say it...."land managers need to manage for no acorn years and when the acorns do develop it's a bonus"
So how? Forest Stand Improvement, open the canopy, hack-n-squirt to kill less desirable trees and where possible, create burn units.... studies show that opening the canopy followed by prescribed burning can create 10x the amount of forage for deer verses a closed canopy forest.....yes back to back years with a total acorn crop failure is terrible for wildlife....but they will survive....but how can we manage the habitat where they actually can flourish during the no acorn years?.... sunlight to the forest floor, prescribed fire, herbicide application, food plots....again, not always easy and and bigger more lush food plots get expensive quick.....and as for fire, I spoke with our local TN Forestry Technician Tuesday about assistance with creating burn units and prescribed fire on our property....he said I needed to get on the list and that they were probably one year out on the waiting list....so....for now we are going to try to create as much early successional growth as possible with the bush hog and herbicide application...and we will certainly plant warn season food plots followed by cool season plots as the budgets allow.
Yep. We put in fire lines last weekend. Have a few more to do. A couple areas will be burned this spring when the conditions are good. Most will be burned this fall to kill the woody stems/saplings. Also got the Dr. Craig Harper cocktail mixed and ready to go for some hack n squirt and girdling.

As a side note for anyone making his herbicide mix, we had to alter the filter on the spray bottles simply because the mix is very thick.
 

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With the mess I have with clover right now, I plan on nuking the worst ones. Will do what DR suggested and plant warm season plots followed by cool season ones. Our deer are home bodies & certainly don't want them to start looking elsewhere.

Now to see if lab lab, buckwheat, peas & forage sorghum is available this spring...
 

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Two good hard mast years back to back here in McMinn County, but this aint looking good for this years acorn crop.
I'm hoping for the temps to at least get back down to the"normal" range for a few more weeks at least.
Another couple of weeks of these temps and my Oaks will be in full bloom and I guarantee we will see a few more hard freezes before Spring.
 

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