What in the heck is going on with the TWRA and Fed refuge surveys?

Bgoodman30

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I was looking forward to seeing the December 1 counts this week only to find out that they just flat out didn't do it? What in the heck is going on over there?

It seems every year there are fewer surveys being done??
 

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Just a guess, there weren't enough birds to count. They quit doing them mid season last year so we wouldn't know exactly how few birds there were in the area, at least that is my opinion.
 

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I feel like I say this a lot but it's the same $hit up here in KY. Our surveys went from air surveys to ground surveys 4 years ago maybe? They still fly the mid winter but that's it. Now it's up to the local guys to get out and ground count on top of their real job of managing the wmas. The quality of the counts, and rather or not a count is even done varies wildly let's say.
 

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Wow, what a bunch of whining about a real first world problem. I truly hope some of the comments in this thread come from ignorance rather than just pure stupidity.

An aerial survey is hardly a Covid risk averse activity. You all do realize that it isn't just a pilot up there counting the waterfowl. It involves a pilot flying the plane at low altitudes while a spotter does the identification and counting. And, there are different spotters used in different parts of the state.

With the current conditions of the covid outbreak, how many of you would want to sit inches away from a non-family member for several hours in a small cockpit breathing and exchanging the same air? There is risk on both sides, but especially for the pilot who would be getting potentially exposed to multiple folks every week. Yes, it sucks that we are missing a years worth of data. But, I would put some people's health above that data. But, that is just me.

And, on the TWRA side, the TWRA pilot retired a couple of months ago after a long and illustrious career. I had the pleasure of hiring her many years ago, and, without a doubt, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. Barbara did a tremendous job for TWRA.

It is my understanding that a new pilot hasn't been hired. With an aging airplane likely in need of replacement sometime soon, I suspect TWRA will evaluate what direction they want to go for aerial services.

Hope you all get to kill some ducks. It is obviously more important to some of you than people's health.
 

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All you have to do is have a group of counters and have everybody test before their flights...rapid tests are widely available now. If pilot and counter(s) come back negative get to counting.
 

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So having your pilot with multiple brain swabs every week is worth a waterfowl count?

Plus, the rapid tests have been documented as not being that reliable. If it is positive, it usually means the person is positive. If negative, it doesn't always mean they don't have it.

LOL
 

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So having your pilot with multiple brain swabs every week is worth a waterfowl count?

Plus, the rapid tests have been documented as not being that reliable. If it is positive, it usually means the person is positive. If negative, it doesn't always mean they don't have it.

LOL

Then do the test they send off that takes a couple days... again this isn't that difficult. I don't know why you make it seem like their lives are in danger from taking tests? Plenty of people get tested multiple times a week.

It really doesn't matter, but your outrage at the thought of them taking a couple extra steps to get something done like waterfowl surveys is hilarious.

Also, not for our hunting purposes either but they already cancelled the Bpop survey from the spring. So without any hard data they (the USFWS & flyway councils) decided to go with a full liberal season length and bag limits. I would think operating without one of the key data points for season structure, they may have opted for more conservative season lengths or bag limits. I say all that to say that every survey done in wintering states this winter are going to be more important than usual to assess the overall health of the population.
 

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Laughable about caring more about a duck count than the people doing them. But heck, they are just a government employee, so they are the lowest of the low to a lot of you.

I guess it shows your priorities in life.
 

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Dude I am a government employee.
I'm advocating for them doing it in a safe manner... I feel like it's pretty obtainable.
If I didn't think they could do it safely I would say so- you obviously don't and that's your point of view but to try to paint me as some uncaring monster is a little Busch league
 

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Why did they ever perform the aerial survey? Ignorant question for sure, are they using that data to base management decisions off of?
 

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Obviously to you ducks are more important than people's health. That is bush league to me.
That is a bull$hit statement. I never said that, I only correctly pointed out there are ways to easily mitigate the risk. Like Kayleigh McEnany said, I can only explain it, I can't understand it for you.
 

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Why did they ever perform the aerial survey? Ignorant question for sure, are they using that data to base management decisions off of?
I am actually not 100% sure why they were ever started but would be interested to find out. I believe there is a requirement for each state to participate in the Mid Winter waterfowl survey from the USFWS or the flyways council. That serves as a big data collection point.
 

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That is a bull$hit statement. I never said that, I only correctly pointed out there are ways to easily mitigate the risk. Like Kayleigh McEnany said, I can only explain it, I can't understand it for you.
I never said you said that. But, your responses make it very obvious that you put a duck count before people's health. Not much understanding needed for that to be VERY clear.
 

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