Trust me im not giving up.....and agree its a marathon, AT Hiker said it best....in the past it seemed that ML was the hot time to be out....and i saw chasing, but it was younger bucks....i did see a great 8 on Saturday night, 10yds away, but on wrong side of the fence, but he was with 2 other bucks. Saturday a.m. I called in a basket 8 that clearly was seeking. I appreciate the feedback.....bottom line time has to be spent in the stand