Return to 3 buck limit but....

[jb357]

Deer season any weapon 3 bucks.kids get the woods before any body is there to educate the deer

Let's just go ahead and legalize spotlights and baiting to make sure noone is left out.

We already lost our bonus buck at LBL this year. I think there are enough restrictions. I like a 2 buck rule. If you get a good buck early, you still have the rest of the season to hunt that buck of a lifetime.

Yep the bonus buck was just another small step toward one buck limit.

Right, it wasn't to help the population by slowing down the trigger happy "I got drawn so I'm killing whatever buck walks by" hunters

 

[Winchester]

This is stupid, I've never seen so many people throw their money at something and beg to have rights taken away. Or better yet beg to take someone else's rights away. Sounds just like liberal freaking democrats

Well said

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[deer hunter 21]

Nobody has answered my question yet, what is the big advantage about the 3rd buck?

 

[TN RDG RNR]

Deer season any weapon 3 bucks.kids get the woods before any body is there to educate the deer

Let's just go ahead and legalize spotlights and baiting to make sure noone is left out.

We already lost our bonus buck at LBL this year. I think there are enough restrictions. I like a 2 buck rule. If you get a good buck early, you still have the rest of the season to hunt that buck of a lifetime.

Yep the bonus buck was just another small step toward one buck limit.

Right, it wasn't to help the population by slowing down the trigger happy "I got drawn so I'm killing whatever buck walks by" hunters

Yawn

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[Headhunter]

We already lost our bonus buck at LBL this year. I think there are enough restrictions. I like a 2 buck rule. If you get a good buck early, you still have the rest of the season to hunt that buck of a lifetime.

Yep the bonus buck was just another small step toward one buck limit.

Pretty sad statement. The change at LBL has nothing to with the general consensus that the deer population is not in good shape, some are even saying that the population is getting in really bad shape, but for all the whiners I guess it is just a step to a one buck limit. Liberals love to say whatever they can to get the answer they want.

 

[Winchester]

Nobody has answered my question yet, what is the big advantage about the 3rd buck?

Its an opportunity that every deer hunter in the state had at their disposal if they got the chance to use it. It wasn't being abused or overused and was simply another opportunity for those who got the chance to use it. The #'s from last yr prove this as we killed more immature bucks with a 2 buck limit than we did previously with the 3 buck limit. Hunters were already self policing themselves with the 3 buck limit and being conservative on what they shot voluntarily. NO NEED for more restrictions.

 

[AT Hiker]

Nobody has answered my question yet, what is the big advantage about the 3rd buck?

Simple, it's one more buck. Some say opportunity was lost (even though hunters rarely ever killed 3 bucks) but those that did kill 2 have to stop buck hunting now as before they didn't.
Biologically both a 2 or 3 buck limit is fine (according to many experts with some on here, some no longer visit this site now ). Some say the 3 buck limit was a great compromise between hunter satisfaction and biological reasoning. Some say the 2 buck limit will have a slightly better impact (increase overall buck age structure and therefore increase potential buck harvest for all hunters).
The biggest issue some have appears to be that the limit debate/change was a backdoor deal. IMO, the whole thing was a screw up from the word go. It started with a misleading representation of TN buck age structure, then a biased survey then snowballed into a debate that left some commissioners in the dark. Some say this turned the whole debate into a political fiasco.

So what is the advantage of a third buck? Good question and besides getting more bang for your buck (pun intended) good luck getting a statement that is not biased in some fashion. I will venture to say our herd is in pretty good shape, now some people want to go one direction and others liked the path we were on. Notice the name calling is back? Sure sign of a debate that is lost.


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[TN RDG RNR]

We already lost our bonus buck at LBL this year. I think there are enough restrictions. I like a 2 buck rule. If you get a good buck early, you still have the rest of the season to hunt that buck of a lifetime.

Yep the bonus buck was just another small step toward one buck limit.

Pretty sad statement. The change at LBL has nothing to with the general consensus that the deer population is not in good shape, some are even saying that the population is getting in really bad shape, but for all the whiners I guess it is just a step to a one buck limit. Liberals love to say whatever they can to get the answer they want.

I'm just a whining liberal so maybe someone can help me understand how eliminating LBL as state bonus buck is going do anything to help the deer herd on LBL.
It was the next acceptable move toward a 1 buck limit same as the new button buck regulation and eliminating bonus bucks on other WMAs.
For the record I don't ever shoot small bucks by choice and don't attempt to force my way of hunting on anyone else by lobbing limited opportunity or belittling them with name calling.

 

[mike243]

Deer season any weapon 3 bucks.kids get the woods before any body is there to educate the deer

Let's just go ahead and legalize spotlights and baiting to make sure noone is left out.

We already lost our bonus buck at LBL this year. I think there are enough restrictions. I like a 2 buck rule. If you get a good buck early, you still have the rest of the season to hunt that buck of a lifetime.

Yep the bonus buck was just another small step toward one buck limit.

Right, it wasn't to help the population by slowing down the trigger happy "I got drawn so I'm killing whatever buck walks by" hunters

So you want to bait and spotlite? I DIDNT ASK FOR EITHER dont try to put words in my mouth. We had all of what I asked for except juvys get first crack but it was taken away because of trophy hunters thinking it would put a monster within their reach :lol:

 

[Mudbone]

1 SEASON ALL WEAPONS

That would be weird.
Bow hunting would just disappear unless it was bow only areas.
If it was rifle season all year and three doe/day, I've got a feeling the herd would be decimated quickly and the woods would always be orange. Deer become nocturnal to quick.
Idk, that just seems like overkill. I think we should just leave if the way it is now unless herd health says to change something.

 

[Land Between the Lakes]

I kind of like the 2 buck rule. But do you all think TN will go to a 1 buck rule one day?

I live in the Murray, KY area right along the Tennessee border. We have a 1 buck rule here in KY. I do think it saves thousands of bucks each season from being taken by hunters. But sometimes I wish we had a 2 buck rule here in KY, that way we could at least have the option of taking another buck if we wanted each season.

 

[Winchester]

I kind of like the 2 buck rule. But do you all think TN will go to a 1 buck rule one day?

I live in the Murray, KY area right along the Tennessee border. We have a 1 buck rule here in KY. I do think it saves thousands of bucks each season from being taken by hunters. But sometimes I wish we had a 2 buck rule here in KY, that way we could at least have the option of taking another buck if we wanted each season.

Absolutely, TN will have a 1 buck limit in the near future (5 yrs or less). Too many TV show watching wanna be's who think the bag limits will make them successful at killing mature bucks!

 

[deer hunter 21]

I'm no biologist but too me if 1000 hunters tag out 3 bucks a year then now it's 2 bucks so you save a 1000 bucks per season and that does create more opportunities and for the people that says they are not trophy hunters and just want the meat then shoot a doe because the horns are a waste to you anyways. I will shoot a couple of does for meat then wait on a decent buck and if I go through the season and don't see the buck I want then I will just eat that tag, I'm not saying thats how you should do it that's just how I do it.

 

[jb357]

I'm no biologist but too me if 1000 hunters tag out 3 bucks a year then now it's 2 bucks so you save a 1000 bucks per season and that does create more opportunities and for the people that says they are not trophy hunters and just want the meat then shoot a doe because the horns are a waste to you anyways. I will shoot a couple of does for meat then wait on a decent buck and if I go through the season and don't see the buck I want then I will just eat that tag, I'm not saying thats how you should do it that's just how I do it.

This is the logic that doesn't seem to register in the minds of the people that say the 2 buck limit won't help trophy hunters. If less bucks are shot, more are allowed to mature and reach their potential. It seems pretty simple to me. But then again I'm just a no good sorry deer educating trophy bowhunter

 

[Headhunter]

Nobody has answered my question yet, what is the big advantage about the 3rd buck?

Its an opportunity that every deer hunter in the state had at their disposal if they got the chance to use it. It wasn't being abused or overused and was simply another opportunity for those who got the chance to use it. The #'s from last yr prove this as we killed more immature bucks with a 2 buck limit than we did previously with the 3 buck limit. Hunters were already self policing themselves with the 3 buck limit and being conservative on what they shot voluntarily. NO NEED for more restrictions.

Except for the fact immature bucks were being OVERKILLED. At some point it does make sense to try and give some number of young bucks a chance to live. Trophy hunting has nothing to do with it. The fact that EVERY single DAY land is lost and there are fewer and fewer places to hunt and from that alone the number of hunters is increasing in that the areas to hunt are smaller. Making the "3 buck limit" wishers back off a hair and pass a buck is not a bad thing, as a matter of fact it is a great thing. To me, the best thing it does, especially on public land, which to me should be 1 buck per year anyways (whether per WMA or statewide), is give a new hunter, or a juvenile, or someone who does not get to hunt very often, etc. a chance to kill that buck whatever size he is, if the limit is higher and that buck is dead I can tell you what chances the types of hunters listed above are of them killing that buck.

I am sorry, I disagree. I have heard for so long from the "experts", notably BSK and BGG (there is a reason he is no longer with the TWRA) how as a state we killed more "mature" bucks than any other surrounding state, which from I what heard Chuck Yoest say in the video was NOT true, so your statement that with a 2 buck limit the immature buck kill went up is wrong because it is not really known anyways. From my view, it is almost impossible to know, but what I personally see, immature bucks have been the majority of the kill for a long time. Is it necessarily bad that it happens? probably not. Is it good thing (in a time that hunting land being lost by the thousands of acres every single day) to back off the limit by 1 to give the hunters listed above a chance to see and possibly kill that buck and in the process maybe enabling some number of bucks to get some age? I think it is. Does it mean those bucks will even be seen much less killed (well if you believed what BSK and BGG said, we would be killing even more mature bucks because there should be more of them with a 2 buck limit since we were the leading mature buck killing state for years)? Nope, but if they are alive at least there is a chance to see them, I can tell you the chances are of hunting for them and maybe killing one when they are killed?

As far as the manned check stations go, great idea. Is using the numbers the best idea? Nope. People who kill a great buck will find a manned check station to get their buck aged and looked at, where a majority of those who kill an immature buck will go to a station (now just check online) where no one sees it and that has been true for as long as I have been hunting. On top that, if you have more than one qualified person who ages deer by the teeth age a deer, the number of qualified people aging deer could and many times is different depending on who ages the deer.

 

[jimmyeg]

That's the way I see it

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[Headhunter]

I kind of like the 2 buck rule. But do you all think TN will go to a 1 buck rule one day?

I live in the Murray, KY area right along the Tennessee border. We have a 1 buck rule here in KY. I do think it saves thousands of bucks each season from being taken by hunters. But sometimes I wish we had a 2 buck rule here in KY, that way we could at least have the option of taking another buck if we wanted each season.

Absolutely, TN will have a 1 buck limit in the near future (5 yrs or less). Too many TV show watching wanna be's who think the bag limits will make them successful at killing mature bucks!

If you believed what the TWRA and BSK and BGG were telling us Tennessee hunters were already successful at killing mature bucks, more than any other surrounding state and I remember BGG stating we killed mature bucks percentage wise than any other state in the US. So yep, it is going to get better if you believe them.

I personally believe Chuck got it right when he said the percentage of immature bucks killed in Tennessee if high, actually higher than any other surrounding state.

As far as being successful at killing mature bucks, that depends on many things and it for sure isn't easy, at least there are mature bucks alive you can hunt them, a lot more fun than them not even being alive to hunt.

 

[jb357]

I kind of like the 2 buck rule. But do you all think TN will go to a 1 buck rule one day?

I live in the Murray, KY area right along the Tennessee border. We have a 1 buck rule here in KY. I do think it saves thousands of bucks each season from being taken by hunters. But sometimes I wish we had a 2 buck rule here in KY, that way we could at least have the option of taking another buck if we wanted each season.

Absolutely, TN will have a 1 buck limit in the near future (5 yrs or less). Too many TV show watching wanna be's who think the bag limits will make them successful at killing mature bucks!

If you believed what the TWRA and BSK and BGG were telling us Tennessee hunters were already successful at killing mature bucks, more than any other surrounding state and I remember BGG stating we killed mature bucks percentage wise than any other state in the US. So yep, it is going to get better if you believe them.

I personally believe Chuck got it right when he said the percentage of immature bucks killed in Tennessee if high, actually higher than any other surrounding state.

As far as being successful at killing mature bucks, that depends on many things and it for sure isn't easy, at least there are mature bucks alive you can hunt them, a lot more fun than them not even being alive to hunt.

Saying that TN was killing more mature bucks that surrounding states was one of the more laughable claims I've seen. BSK and the other so called "gurus" were one of the main reasons I left this site a few years ago.

 

[Winchester]

I totally agree, I highly doubt TN is or has been anywhere near the top of states for # of mature bucks killed. I could care less what anybody else said on here or anywhere else. Now for the facts, TN has used the same method for data collection for years now, with the same type of people collecting it, nothing changed except the buck limit went from 3 to 2. We Killed more young bucks last yr than in years past!!!! No argument to be made, it didn't keep ANY more young bucks alive than did the 3 buck limit! TN hunters have a mindset of what they want to shoot and simply dropping the buck limit by 1 buck wont make a measurable difference, now going all the way to 1 would make the change so many so called trophy hunters want to see. (which by the way is a small % of all hunters in TN) Will it make these same hunters better, able to consistently kill mature bucks? NO! Mature bucks are out there in good huntable #'s in many parts of the state right now, have been for years now. If you cant consistently kill them now, buck limits will NOT make you able to do so! Why limit so many TN hunters for a few to think they have a better chance?? Sharpen your skills not your pencil!
All this said, I don't shoot young bucks on purpose, rarely kill 3 mature bucks a yr in TN, but I don't want to limit the guys who choose to do so when its simply not needed and was done in a back door deal to boot.
Another quick fact, Immature bucks have NOT been "overkilled" in TN since the limit was dropped from 11, and our age class of bucks has been improving for years now. All these facts coming from the TWRA data, which is ALL we have to go on.

 

[Headhunter]

I don't care what the limit is, I prefer 2, I can say I don't care because I haven't tried to influence the commission, the twra, etc. (I did call and thank Chuck because I believe he is a good guy) in anyway. I am going to hunt as long as it is legal to do so. To me there if for sure an argument to be made, saying the 2 buck limit caused more young bucks to be killed than were in years previous has ZERO basis, no facts to back that up other than the "SKEWED" data from check stations manned by the TWRA, not bashing the TWRA, I just don't think there is way to financially or manpower wise to have accurate data.

 

[knightrider]

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[knightrider]

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Saying that TN was killing more mature bucks that surrounding states was one of the more laughable claims I've seen. BSK and the other so called "gurus" were one of the main reasons I left this site a few years ago.[/quote]feel free to do so again anytime you wish :pop:

 

[Tennessee Lead]

Saying that TN was killing more mature bucks that surrounding states was one of the more laughable claims I've seen. BSK and the other so called "gurus" were one of the main reasons I left this site a few years ago.[/quote]feel free to do so again anytime you wish :pop:[/quote]
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[deer hunter 21]

I also hunt in il and the week I'm up there I will see 3 or 4 mature bucks in 6 days and I haven't seen that many here in 5 years but I may just be in a bad location.

 

[cbhunter]

unless I cant read, that post said that more IMMATURE bucks were killed here than surrounding states. lol, I'm good with whatever they want the limit to be. if I want meat, the opportunity is there, if I want a buck, I can kill two. if they move it to 1 buck or 3 bucks, I'm not going to complain.

 

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[jotahech]

I would prefer a 1 buck limit over a 3. Way too many young deer taken. Point limit increase at given numbers of bucks taken would be nice as well up to an 8 point minimum after 10 bucks. Limit on does for a season. I know guys that kill 20+. Seems conservation is not really in their forte.

 

[mike243]

At what age is a cow lamb or a pig taken to the market? what makes deer any different? Trophyism imo

 

[jb357]

Saying that TN was killing more mature bucks that surrounding states was one of the more laughable claims I've seen. BSK and the other so called "gurus" were one of the main reasons I left this site a few years ago.

feel free to do so again anytime you wish :pop:[/quote]
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[farmin68]

At what age is a cow lamb or a pig taken to the market? what makes deer any different? Trophyism imo

Well said. Your opinion is fact.