Is seeds killing our wildlife?

[Shooter77]

Seen this video earlier, very interesting topic about the seeds with insecticide that are planted causing wildlife deaths. What's everyone's thoughts?

 

[Ski]

It's an issue that needs to be addressed for sure. Spooky stuff indeed.

 

[ttf909]

Saw that. Chemicals are everywhere and bad things keep popping up. I believe glyphosate is the cause of celiac .

 

[Huntaholic]

YES. How else are they going to starve us into submission if they dont systematically kill off our sources of independence?

 

[chimneyman]

It's One of the reasons Honey bees are having a hard time.

 

[deerhunter10]

Been studying that in turkeys for 3 or 4 years. It is a known killer of song birds.

 

[MickThompson]

Kills all the bugs in fields that baby turkeys and quail would've eaten

 

[deerhunter10]

Kills all the bugs in fields that baby turkeys and quail would've eaten

There's studies shown where wildlife eating those bugs are also die.

 

[BSK]

Kills all the bugs in fields that baby turkeys and quail would've eaten

That's very interesting.

 

[AT Hiker]

No way monoculture with synthetic fertilizers, pesticides and chemically treated seeds would cause any interruptions within the biodiversity community

That's why vegans who practice from an animal welfare standpoint are complete idiots. They kill more critters than Deer Assassin.

 

[Popcorn]

I have to point out here that if this was accurate it would be far more obvious like when wild hogs clean up 35 acres of corn just planted, shouldn't you find a dead hog or 2? Funny how it kills where there's no habitat but not where there is plenty of habitat among the grain fields. It also comes to mind that many of the seed coatings we see are in fact an inoculant, some are a fungicide. I have a bag of green colored corn in my shed and the mice and squirrels that eat from it might die from heart disease or hypertension but clearly are not being poisoned. If yall are aware of seed having (confirmed) poison on it that is damaging wildlife please post it here.

 

[JCDEERMAN]

I have to point out here that if this was accurate it would be far more obvious like when wild hogs clean up 35 acres of corn just planted, shouldn't you find a dead hog or 2? Funny how it kills where there's no habitat but not where there is plenty of habitat among the grain fields. It also comes to mind that many of the seed coatings we see are in fact an inoculant, some are a fungicide. I have a bag of green colored corn in my shed and the mice and squirrels that eat from it might die from heart disease or hypertension but clearly are not being poisoned. If yall are aware of seed having (confirmed) poison on it that is damaging wildlife please post it here.

I agree. When I watched this, they said the label would say "harmful to wildlife". I went out and looked at the 29 bags of RR soybeans in the basement (looked at 1 bag) and didn't see that verbiage on there. I'm sure it's specific to certain brands, etc…in a perfect world, and I'll be there one day with my crimper almost completed for this spring, I will probably go "uncoated" for cost and what this topic is about

 

[deerhunter10]

I do not have any of the studies saved. But have read several articles mainly about turkeys also several podcasts. They said they were going to release their findings within the year. I will also say this knowing 2 guys in a huge lawsuit with Monsanto about dicamba killing their tobacco. From what I understand a lot of the coatings are coming from there so it Will most likely get completely swept under the rug. I do not know about big animals but birds and bees are for sure being affected. Research there is a lot out there. I would be willing to bet no numbers come out and in 2 or 3 years those coatings will be gone. Just like dicamba is going out the door.

 

[7mm08]

What is the percent of ROUND UP ready corn / wheat etc to NON TREATED SEEDS? Can you even buy non treated seeds ?

 

[Popcorn]

Herbicide tolerant crops are a result of genetic engineering and to my knowledge pose no threat to insects, animals or humans. Newer varieties are "stacked" with tolerance to 3 and 4 different herbicides. The problem is that as we kill the weeds that cannot tolerate the chemicals what remains are the ones naturally tolerant and they become the new super weed. Pigweed / Amaranth / Palmer are really good at this.
When wildlife eat these plants (after being sprayed) that is the area of great concern. Another concern that needs to be follow closely is the rebranding of chemicals like dicamba!! Minor changes in the makeup and you have a new product under a new name without the history! That's already on the shelf. Voluminous drift is the real big issue but over all it's a bad chemical and anything resembling it needs to be eliminated.

 

[knightrider]

The round up and other chemicals you use to kill natural vegetation is much more detrimental to everythig than these seeds

 

[Henry]

I agree. When I watched this, they said the label would say "harmful to wildlife". I went out and looked at the 29 bags of RR soybeans in the basement (looked at 1 bag) and didn't see that verbiage on there. I'm sure it's specific to certain brands, etc…in a perfect world, and I'll be there one day with my crimper almost completed for this spring, I will probably go "uncoated" for cost and what this topic is about

Is this where someone points out that when men eat soy they become feminine...grow breasts, etc?
Is this part of poisoning the human race?

 

[JCDEERMAN]

Is this where someone points out that when men eat soy they become feminine...grow breasts, etc?
Is this part of poisoning the human race?

You've got me confused Henry

 

[WestTN2288]

This is sickening to read… the guy in the video is not a scientist and is not telling the whole story. 2 sides to every story. Roundup is not making people sick and insecticides are not killing bees. Can reference that with a litany of scientific papers if you don't believe me.

 

[WestTN2288]

What is the percent of ROUND UP ready corn / wheat etc to NON TREATED SEEDS? Can you even buy non treated seeds ?

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 98%(RR corn, soybeans, cotton). No such thing as RR wheat. Yes you can buy non-Traited crops. COOP, nutrien, Helena (any at retailers) sells non-Traited everything and because it does not have a trait, you don't need any special licenses to buy. Have order ahead of time also

 

[Hawk103161]

We have actually stopped feeding the birds. Main reason is the neighbors cat. My girl doesn't like luring them to their death. Also the Avian Flu... I remember the good ol' days. You saved your own seeds from planting season to planting season. I would love to have my Grandmothers stash of seeds.....Sigh

 

[redblood]

What is the percent of ROUND UP ready corn / wheat etc to NON TREATED SEEDS? Can you even buy non treated seeds

What is the percent of ROUND UP ready corn / wheat etc to NON TREATED SEEDS? Can you even buy non treated seeds ?

Roundup ready isnt an innoculant, coating or pre-seed treatment. Rather its a product of isolating seeds that were naturally tolerant of glycophate (roundup) and selective crossing those seeds together to create a strain that is virtually 100 unaffected by roundup. My undergraduate degree is agriculture and their is nothing about roundup ready seeds that scare me at all, other than the fact they will
Definitely be exposed to multiple applications of roundup during the growing cycle. The seed coatings due alarm me because they are directly ingested by wildlife. Here is a pic of a tom i killed last yr in one of my early soybean fields (not a food plot , but a leased ag field). It crawl was completely full of treated seed .

But its a necessary evil that makes crop production more efficient and helps lower input costs and crop loss. Which is essential in trying to feed more people on less land

 

[MickThompson]

This is sickening to read… the guy in the video is not a scientist and is not telling the whole story. 2 sides to every story. Roundup is not making people sick and insecticides are not killing bees. Can reference that with a litany of scientific papers if you don't believe me.

Insecticides aren't killing bees? How do you figure? They may not be the only thing, or main thing killing bees, but to suggest that chemicals designed and used to kill bugs don't kill bugs is some shaky ground to make your stand on.

 

[MickThompson]

We have actually stopped feeding the birds. Main reason is the neighbors cat. My girl doesn't like luring them to their death. Also the Avian Flu... I remember the good ol' days. You saved your own seeds from planting season to planting season. I would love to have my Grandmothers stash of seeds.....Sigh

Wish all the turkey hunters doing "preseason management" would follow suit and shut down their feeders for the same reasons plus subsidizing nest raiders

 

[TheLBLman]

Wish all the turkey hunters doing "preseason management" would follow suit and shut down their feeders for the same reasons plus subsidizing nest raiders

Yep.
Feeders may indirectly be causing more predatory deaths of turkeys than nest raiders.
Dogs, coyotes, and bobcats also pick up on "lying in wait" near feeders being ideal ambush locations to kill young deer, especially button bucks.

 

[Ski]

Insecticides absolutely kill bees. Unlike most insects, bees are social by nature so the insecticides may arguably be even harder on them than the targeted bugs. Could it be possible an infected bee carries it back to the nest, killing the entire colony? I don't actually know but it's a reasonable question to ask.

 

[Henry]

You've got me confused Henry

Maybe consider getting off soy...might help with your confusion.

 

[JCDEERMAN]

Maybe consider getting off soy...might help with your confusion.

Thanks for giving me the confirmation - I was giving you the benefit of the doubt of not being an a$$hat

But here you are.

So I think I understand your logic - I plant soybeans for deer, which translates to me being feminine and having breasts now. got it

Piss off

 

[WestTN2288]

Insecticides aren't killing bees? How do you figure? They may not be the only thing, or main thing killing bees, but to suggest that chemicals designed and used to kill bugs don't kill bugs is some shaky ground to make your stand on.

Well you are right. Insecticides aren't causing bee colony collapse, was my intention to communicate. Varroa mites and bad bee keeping seems to be common when I look, but everyone is so quick to make modern at and farmers the villain regardless of the facts

 

[WestTn Huntin man]

This is sickening to read… the guy in the video is not a scientist and is not telling the whole story. 2 sides to every story. Roundup is not making people sick and insecticides are not killing bees. Can reference that with a litany of scientific papers if you don't believe me.

You can find just as many that say the opposite. The trouble with papers and studies is who is paying to have them done ???