Muzzleloading Heritage Season

Sam Davis

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I would be all for it as long as no more days was added to the season. Take a few out of the existing season.
Break out the 58 cal. Richmond musket.
 

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That is pretty much what muzzleloading "primitive" firearms hunting seasons were first designed to be - before they were corrupted with in-lines (may the inventor of the da#@ things burn for eternity).
Primitive firearms seasons came about before in-lines were thought of. A few states, such as Pennsylvania, have kept it pure; the way it was intended.

Uh, do you get a hint of what I think of in-lines?
 

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A lot of us do use these during regular gun season….

IMHO, it would just be another week too legally hunt deer…

So why even have a bow season, 👀 you can hunt with a bow during gun season as well….
And I have.

In all honesty, I would love too see what is known as " muzzleloader season" become primitive weapons season as it was intended….

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if it became flintlock / percussion side lock & recurve/ longbow using wooden arrows only…

Kinda' separate the hunters from the want ta be snipers….

Just an ole red necks opinion… not that it matters.

I'm just happy too be able too enjoy the opportunity's that are still offered.

PS… I don't have a problem with inline muzzleloaders or compound/ cross bows…

But as modern weaponry, with modern advantages ( wheels,cables, projectiles & scopes )
Maybe they should be limited too regular gun season as well…
 
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I got an idea for you "traditionalists". No cell phones, trail cams, subs (only real black), thermal clothing, and you got to sleep in a tent at the camp. If using a modern vehicle it must be parked no less than 1/2 mile from the camp.

Enjoy your hunt.

Oh and for the record, modern inlines have been around since about 1970. Far before my state had a "muzzleloader season". H&R had one in 1969 or 1970. So go cry me a river. A fast twist sidelock shooting conicals can easily kill past 200 yards. What next, ban lead conicals too and only allow PRB? :rolleyes: Pennsylvania's flintlock season allows sabots so think again.

You guys that think you deserve a special season just because you like to play dress up is a riot.
 
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I was too tired from the long walk back too camp, so I had too sit down and make the shot….🤣

Cell phones must remain hidden…it's in the traditionalist playbook..

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Carry on…

FYI… I only shoot real black powder…fwiw
 

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GMB54; there are some of us who do exactly that. They are generally called "re-enactors". Some, who are called "trekkers", go out to wander the back country at all times of the year in buckskins or colonial fashion clothing. Have you ever heard of an organization called; "The American Mountainmen"? It's a tough outfit to join. You have to prove to them that you can survive in the wilderness. They do it like old Jim Bridger, and Kit Carson once did. Have you ever heard of them? How about Daniel Boone?
You might try reading a copy of "Muzzleloader Magazine" sometime.
Myself, I don't have a phone, cell or otherwise. My wife does. We do have a phone here in the house, and I can sit right next to it, but I will not answer it. I will use it in an emergency, but I don't like 'em. In the woods I never take anything electronic with me. No GPS, no remote signal for help type thingey. Certainly no phone. I'm completely "on my own hook" as some people used to say. I use a compass. I have, many times, slept in a tent camp, sometimes for weeks at a time. I enjoy it. I once spent three days (and nights) in a tarp lean-to, not even a tent, during a roaring blizzard in northern Michigan. For warm clothing I still like wool.
Yeah, I'm a dinosaur.
I understand steam power. I can shoe a horse. I built my own wood-strip canoe. I make most of my own shooting paraphernalia, including having made my own longrifles, both percussion and flintlock. My muzzleloaders are copies of those that were available before 1860. I use real black powder and round balls. I make most of my own accoutrements that go with my longrifles and fowlers.
In general, I dislike most modern technology. My use of this computer is one of the few concessions I make to modern technology. I use it as a word processor, for email, and for looking at forums like this one. But, even on here I am merely a trained chicken. I know if I peck this one button I'll get a kernel of corn. But if something doesn't work, I'm done with it until my grandson can come and fix it.
Another thread on here talks about laptop computers while in a deer blind or up a tree. To me, the very thought of such a thing is horrifying. Why go to the woods if you're going to bring civilization with you? I don't get that.
Ever hear of Sylvan Hart? He was sometimes called "The Last of the Mountainmen." If I wasn't married and committed to family I would very likely be living as did Sylvan Hart.
Look him up on your computer. Look up those others that I mentioned, too, if you don't already know about them.

I think its the generation gap that separates us. We all grew up with different experiences, different influences on our lives. Some of you have never known anything but high technology with computers and phones. I'm a "baby boomer", and I grew up before all that became common. I was a sophomore in high school when President Kennedy was shot. I remember that day. Heck, I was born before television became generally available to the public. ():~)

But, ya'll do as you please, just so long as no harm is done. And I'll do likewise.

Smo, I agree with everything you said.
 

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I'm a few years younger Rancocas. But still like the old ways of doing things…👍
I was only in the 1st grade for the JFK assassination, but remember it well.

I do take my cell phone too the woods …. But mainly for pictures, videos & emergency's…

I'm too the point in my life as many of us are that it's not about how many I kill, how big or far away they are or using the latest out of the box modern abomination pretending too be a muzzleloader…

I just enjoy my time in the field and cherish the sounds,sights, scenery and Friends I've met along the way..

Doing things the old way definitely is not for everyone….But you never can tell when knowing how things were done before the World went disposable might just come in handy..👍
 

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I got an idea for you "traditionalists". No cell phones, trail cams, subs (only real black), thermal clothing, and you got to sleep in a tent at the camp. If using a modern vehicle it must be parked no less than 1/2 mile from the camp.

Enjoy your hunt.

Oh and for the record, modern inlines have been around since about 1970. Far before my state had a "muzzleloader season". H&R had one in 1969 or 1970. So go cry me a river. A fast twist sidelock shooting conicals can easily kill past 200 yards. What next, ban lead conicals too and only allow PRB? :rolleyes: Pennsylvania's flintlock season allows sabots so think again.

You guys that think you deserve a special season just because you like to play dress up is a riot.

Geez...didn't intend to hurt nobodies feelings by posting this. :rolleyes:

I don't think any unique group "deserves" a special season. Do away with them all and just have a deer season. Out would come the big guns on opening day for a shorter season and most so called modern muzzle loaders would hit the back of the gun safe quicker than a cat could lick it's posterior.
 

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My inlines will out shoot many CFs of a similar caliber so i have no need or desire to down grade. I use mine during our rifle season. Have for more years than i can remember. Our so called muzzleloader season is after firearms so there is zero motivation for a primitive rifle in my arsenal. If they did offer a early season "traditional sidelock" i would build a fast twist 45 or 40cal and still have a very lethal 200 yard rig. So what is the damn point of it anyway? Oh yeah it would be just peachy using something similar to 451 Gibbs to do the exact same thing i do now. We could all be pals and sing around a camp fire.

Just for the record ive been using 45cal conicals and rather light amounts of powder for the last few seasons. Love it just because its simple and will shoot sub MOA at 100yards. Lord have mercy though im doing it with a Knight 45cal 1-20 inline. Not sure how that is any different than doing the same thing with a sidelock.

Funny part is, i NEVER see a inline shooter crying about a guy using a sidelock during a ML season but God forbid when that is reversed. You guys bawl and bellyache worse than babies on some forums. Hell there is even a forum that just the mention of an inline or sabots will get you banned. You guys need a safe place or in this case "safe woods" where them mean ole inline guys cant hunt with you. 🤣
 
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My inlines will out shoot many CFs of a similar caliber so i have no need or desire to down grade. I use mine during our rifle season. Have for more years than i can remember. Our so called muzzleloader season is after firearms so there is zero motivation for a primitive rifle in my arsenal. If they did offer a early season "traditional sidelock" i would build a fast twist 45 or 40cal and still have a very lethal 200 yard rig. So what is the damn point of it anyway? Oh yeah it would be just peachy using something similar to 451 Gibbs to do the exact same thing i do now. We could all be pals and sing around a camp fire.

Just for the record ive been using 45cal conicals and rather light amounts of powder for the last few seasons. Love it just because its simple and will shoot sub MOA at 100yards. Lord have mercy though im doing it with a Knight 45cal 1-20 inline. Not sure how that is any different than doing the same thing with a sidelock.

Funny part is, i NEVER see a inline shooter crying about a guy using a sidelock during a ML season but God forbid when that is reversed. You guys bawl and bellyache worse than babies on some forums. Hell there is even a forum that just the mention of an inline or sabots will get you banned. You guys need a safe place or in this case "safe woods" where them mean ole inline guys cant hunt with you. 🤣
You sound "disturbed." Take a deep breath.
You are missing the point entirely. Because your in-line can easily take a deer at 200 yards is precisely why I don't like it. Other than loading from the muzzle what difference is it from any other modern rifle? You probably put a scope on it, too.
I often use a flintlock smoothbore that can only accurately throw a .60 caliber round ball about 50 yards. Beyond that range it goes way off target. Even with my .50 percussion longrifle I keep all my shots at game at 75 yards or less. A little more than bow and arrow range. That adds to the challenge.
It is not about sniping deer at long range. Getting a deer at all really doesn't matter. Here is the motivation; It is all about the challenge of getting close to the game, a reverence for history and tradition, and a love for "the old ways".
Apparently you don't have any of that. And, that's okay. Hunt how and with whatever you like. I will, too.
However, everyone should be aware that it was muzzleloaders and re-enactors back in the 1960's who first started pushing for a "primitive firearms hunting season". Various states were beginning to enact legislation to that purpose when the in-line came along. It was never the original intent for a modern muzzle loading rifle to be included, but of course, it has been. Of course some of the states did not enact a muzzleloader season until after in-lines had been well established. So, to probably most legislators, a muzzle loader is a muzzle loader.
Personally, I absolutely despise in-lines because I believe they have corrupted the muzzleloading hunting seasons. But, I'm not telling anyone not to use one. Again I say; Use what you like.
The controversy between tradition and modern muzzleloaders has been volatile ever since the in-line came on the scene. It has died down a lot in recent years, but it does continue to linger on, maybe especially with old hard headed Luddites like me.

Cheers
 

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