A Bad Experience with Tennessee Wildlife Enforcement.

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If true, that's a shame. Nothing like shooting a tame deer.

My wife is into photography and likes to take pictures of the deer there. She's probably got pictures of this buck eating the crust off my son's PB&J while he's screaming "look Mommy, a deer" from 5 feet away.
How are they tame there? Serious question because I have no clue...

Few years ago my mom sent me a pic of a big deer a lady on her FB had pics of. She called it her pet deer but it was far from a pet. Just liked to come eat in her yard along with 30-40 more. Sent my buddy the pics because he hunted real close to where she lived. He said I've been wondering where that deer went to because he only had 1 pic of it like 2 years before. More people got wind she was posting pics and it ended up getting killed across the road. She went full Karen on the book of face because someone killed her "pet" deer. It was pretty funny.
 
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How are they tame there? Serious question because I have no clue...

Few years ago my mom sent me a pic of a big deer a lady on her FB had pics of. She called it her pet deer but it was far from a pet. Just liked to come eat in her yard along with 30-40 more. Sent me buddy the pics because he hunted real close to where she lived. He said I've been wondering where that deer went to because he only had 1 pic of it like 2 years before. More people got wind she was posting pics and it ended up getting killed across the road. She went full Karen on the book of face because someone killed her "pet" deer. It was pretty funny.

They see hundreds of people everyday in the park who use the trails for exercise, photography, etc. I only go occasionally but my wife is there weekly and takes pictures of deer of all ages bedding down within bow range of the trails as people walk by.

I was there once last year and had a doe come out on a wooden dock/platform that I was sitting on as I was eating an apple.
 

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BTW, you are not allowed off the trails at Radnor Lake State Park at any time. If the ranger allowed this and it got out, the backlash from the surrounding (liberal)community would have been swift and I would imagine he would lose his job.
 

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BTW, you are not allowed off the trails at Radnor Lake State Park at any time. If the ranger allowed this and it got out, the backlash from the surrounding (liberal)community would have been swift and I would imagine he would lose his job.
Assuming these are facts (I have no reason to doubt Pilchard), these are the details that tell THE REST OF THE STORY. On another note, my buddy lives near Radnor and mentions it in our conversations a fair amount. He too describes the "wildlife" as "not so wild", with some being more tame than others. That is a whole other discussion.
 

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How does "the law" read? That is what I truly want to know. I will research it in due time, but thought you or someone here may know. I for one do not take an officer/park ranger's word/interpretation for how "the law reads".
I don't know how the law reads, but if hunting was closed, or it was a quota hunt that he didn't draw on, that area is off limits to him. No different than private property.
 

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Assuming these are facts (I have no reason to doubt Pilchard), these are the details that tell THE REST OF THE STORY. On another note, my buddy lives near Radnor and mentions it in our conversations a fair amount. He too describes the "wildlife" as "not so wild", with some being more tame than others. That is a whole other discussion.

See the first bullet here.

I'll add that I am going off another member that said this was a Radnor Lake deer. If that's not true, I apologize to the hunter for my negative commentary.
 

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For the heck of it, I called and spoke to Radnor Lake Park Ranger. He reiterated what Pilchard said; one of the more strict parks/natural areas in the State. 1600 acres, with 6 miles of trails for hiking and photography, and a road that does not allow motor vehicle traffic. Trail hiking only (as Pilchard pointed out), so no wandering off the trails through the woods. He said if you want more acreage, more access and less restrictions, Percy Warner at 40k acres might be a better option.
 

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That's the best you have? I do know if I hunt in a state park, while season is closed I'm in violation. And tracking a deer onto that state land, closed or not, is apart of the hunt. So you can try to spin it anyway you want, but the ranger followed the law. Simple as that.
My point is not all TN State parks are created equal. We have State Park land in my neck of the woods that allows hunting and would allow game retrieval if the warden/ranger was contacted, many times no contact required when open hunting. The verbiage "he followed the law" is painting "the law" with a broad brush IMO, thus why I asked if you or someone knew how "the law" read in this particular case (Radnor Lake). That is it in a nutshell.
 

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My point is not all TN State parks are created equal. We have State Park land in my neck of the woods that allows hunting and would allow game retrieval if the warden/ranger was contacted, many times no contact required when open hunting. The verbiage "he followed the law" is painting "the law" with a broad brush IMO, thus why I asked if you or someone knew how "the law" read in this particular case. That is it in a nutshell.
I'll agree it's up to the wma manager. Some managers don't care if you leave your stand all year, others might. The law says not to leave them for 24 hours if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea what wma this is but I have hunted a local wma. One side of the logging road was a safety zone. The other side was open for hunting. No way should I expect a manager, or officer, or ranger to allow me to retrieve an animal if it ended up in the safety zone, regardless of how legal everything had been up to when it crossed into the safety zone. I agree, it was a bs move for them not to retrieve the deer, since it was state property. But I'm also not hurt over it since had the park been private property, it coulda went either way. So many of us here want things to be a certain way. I'll hunt the line, and if I shoot an animal on my side and it goes across the fence, I'm waiting till dark to get it. At the same time you got people willing to hold someone captive because they retrieved an animal. So which way is it?
 

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Jcalder - my main concern is respect for the animal. There is no way in good conscious I could have allowed that buck to lay there and rot and become "coyote food" after I deliberately shot it and took it's life, but that is my perspective. I realize mine and MANY others' perspectives do not align. With that said, I would have fought tooth and nail to recover it in a timely manner and not been satisfied with the local Ranger's "decision" until I exhausted all of my options. I realize the outcome would have likely been the same, but I would have elevated it until I could not any more. Purely out of respect for the animal and because it is the right thing to do. I would rather the State retrieve it and keep it, than let it rot.
 

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Jcalder - my main concern is respect for the animal. There is no way in good conscious I could have allowed that buck to lay there and rot and become "coyote food" after I deliberately shot it and took it's life, but that is my perspective. I realize mine and MANY others' perspectives do not align. With that said, I would have fought tooth and nail to recover it in a timely manner and not been satisfied with the local Ranger's "decision" until I exhausted all of my options. I realize the outcome would have likely been the same, but I would have elevated it until I could not any more. Purely out of respect for the animal and because it is the right thing to do. I would rather the State retrieve it and keep it, than let it rot.
I'm with you on doing everything you possibly can to retrieve the animal. The issue here is exhausted the avenues he had at the moment. Unfortunately, if the law is changed it's too late for this case but hopefully not the next. The ranger/officer done what I would consider to be the minimum of the law. Absolutely they could have allowed him to recover it as well. I personally think on state ground it should be a case by case situation, but also how many times could this potential situation tie up a ranger when they honestly need to be doing something else. I do think we both have the same thoughts, I'm just looking at it from why they did what they did.
 

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They see hundreds of people everyday in the park who use the trails for exercise, photography, etc. I only go occasionally but my wife is there weekly and takes pictures of deer of all ages bedding down within bow range of the trails as people walk by.

I was there once last year and had a doe come out on a wooden dock/platform that I was sitting on as I was eating an apple.
If I had access to hunt right beside this place or around somewhere like this I for sure wouldn't turn it down and I doubt anyone would. I live at the bottom of a mtn where they are protected up top. I mtn bike up there almost daily and have one really good buck I see a lot. If he ever slips off the mtn onto my property I wouldn't think twice about killing him. A mature buck lives that long for a reason and I doubt they are easy to kill even when they venture off this Radnor Lake place.
 

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