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[landman]

OK i'm seeing many comments about E TN with less deer

So why not a UNIT L 2 Buck limit for 3 years?

And for those says its not good for the herd or it won't help the herd answer this

Why does KY have 28% of its hunters killing a buck with way less gun season days
and TN only has 20% of its hunters killing a buck???

Nothing to do with the Soil, we are talking about bucks, big, little, small,

 

[BranchWater]

I'm all for it. I also think the 3 doe a day could be cut back.

 

[Os2 Outdoors]

I'm all for it. I also think the 3 doe a day could be cut back.

^^ this!!

185P&Y

 

[BSK]

OK i'm seeing many comments about E TN with less deer

So why not a UNIT L 2 Buck limit for 3 years?

If a county displays a poor buck age structure (either measured or through harvest analysis), I have no problem with it being placed under a low buck limit. Heck, if the situation is bad enough, make it a 1 buck limit. If the situation is terrible, only allow buck tags by quota.

And I'm serious about all of the above. I'm not opposed to lower buck bag limits. I'm just opposed to UNNECESSARY low buck bag limits imposed for no other reason than to satisfy unsuccessful trophy hunters (truly successful trophy hunters rarely complain). If an area NEEDS a low buck bag limit, so be it. But let's make sure we can prove the area needs it first.

 

[Tennessee Lead]

OK i'm seeing many comments about E TN with less deer

So why not a UNIT L 2 Buck limit for 3 years?

If a county displays a poor buck age structure (either measured or through harvest analysis), I have no problem with it being placed under a low buck limit. Heck, if the situation is bad enough, make it a 1 buck limit. If the situation is terrible, only allow buck tags by quota.

And I'm serious about all of the above. I'm not opposed to lower buck bag limits. I'm just opposed to UNNECESSARY low buck bag limits imposed for no other reason than to satisfy unsuccessful trophy hunters (truly successful trophy hunters rarely complain). If an area NEEDS a low buck bag limit, so be it. But let's make sure we can prove the area needs it first.

Great post BSK.


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[TN Whitetail Freak]

A limit will not increase age structure in my opinion simply because the bulk of tn residence only kill 1-2 antler deer a year...my opinion antler restriction will influence an increase in age structure in the quickest time. My thought is 3 buck limit...1 8 pt tag and two 9pts or better tags or two 5 pts on one side tags

 

[WRbowhunter]

Maybe your looking at this all wrong. Maybe 80 percent of the TN hunters are showing restraint and if they don't see a buck they want to kill they pass on it and if that means they did not kill a buck then that's OK. While KY only 72% of the hunters show restraint and the others are just blasting away. And the TN hunters are doing this with more days gun days in the field. Is that not want you want. Less bucks being killed. Its working why change anything.

 

[TX300mag]

Maybe Tennessee isn't Kentucky. Maybe Ohio isn't Texas. The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

[landman]

Maybe your looking at this all wrong. Maybe 80 percent of the TN hunters are showing restraint and if they don't see a buck they want to kill they pass on it and if that means they did not kill a buck then that's OK. While KY only 72% of the hunters show restraint and the others are just blasting away. And the TN hunters are doing this with more days gun days in the field. Is that not want you want. Less bucks being killed. Its working why change anything.

Oh I'm sure that's it..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[lpo1981]

Simply put drop the buck limit to 2, more bucks survive and you have older class bucks next year.. I pay a lot of money every year to go to kentucky every year to hunt and have no problem at all with a 1 buck limit.. The odds of seeing a mature 4.5 y/I buck far exceeds my expectations I that happening hear at home... People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120"... People here don't think twice about blasting that same buck cause they have 3 tags... And reduce the 3 does a day thing down to 3 does per season or with 3 with a bow, 3 with a muzzleloader and 3 with a gun....

 

[BSK]

People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120...

Really? So why is it--by the KY's own admission--that over 70% of the antlered bucks killed in their state each year are 2 1/2 or younger? I thought everybody up there passes every non-booner they see?

 

[lpo1981]

People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120...

Really? So why is it--by the KY's own admission--that over 70% of the antlered bucks killed in their state each year are 2 1/2 or younger? I thought everybody up there passes every non-booner they see?

I won't argue with your statistics and rather I'll change what I say as my own personal hunting style and most everyone on my lease that most I the people pass up those younger deer. I don't typically hunt for horns but more for age.

 

[Bone Collector]

OK i'm seeing many comments about E TN with less deer

So why not a UNIT L 2 Buck limit for 3 years?

And for those says its not good for the herd or it won't help the herd answer this

Why does KY have 28% of its hunters killing a buck with way less gun season days
and TN only has 20% of its hunters killing a buck???

Nothing to do with the Soil, we are talking about bucks, big, little, small,

I can only answer for me. I am one of the 80% that according your study did not kill a buck. I didn't kill any, because I passed 10-15 bucks this year and yes missed one
Last year I killed one but passed around 20.

Yep that's right even with a 3 buck limit I passed a bunch of bucks and didn't fill a buck tag. If I didn't have the doe opportunities i have I would be limiting on bucks annually as I like to put up 3-5 deer in the freezer so if that is all i had to shoot, then I would need those tags.

 

[Gravey]

OK i'm seeing many comments about E TN with less deer

So why not a UNIT L 2 Buck limit for 3 years?

If a county displays a poor buck age structure (either measured or through harvest analysis), I have no problem with it being placed under a low buck limit. Heck, if the situation is bad enough, make it a 1 buck limit. If the situation is terrible, only allow buck tags by quota.

And I'm serious about all of the above. I'm not opposed to lower buck bag limits. I'm just opposed to UNNECESSARY low buck bag limits imposed for no other reason than to satisfy unsuccessful trophy hunters (truly successful trophy hunters rarely complain). If an area NEEDS a low buck bag limit, so be it. But let's make sure we can prove the area needs it first.

Great post BSK.


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[redblood]

A limit will not increase age structure in my opinion simply because the bulk of tn residence only kill 1-2 antler deer a year...my opinion antler restriction will influence an increase in age structure in the quickest time. My thought is 3 buck limit...1 8 pt tag and two 9pts or better tags or two 5 pts on one side tags

more likely they only check in 1 or 2, at least in a lot of remote areas

 

[AT Hiker]

People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120...

Really? So why is it--by the KY's own admission--that over 70% of the antlered bucks killed in their state each year are 2 1/2 or younger? I thought everybody up there passes every non-booner they see?

How does KY get their age data? I have never seen a game check point.


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[Os2 Outdoors]

People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120...

Really? So why is it--by the KY's own admission--that over 70% of the antlered bucks killed in their state each year are 2 1/2 or younger? I thought everybody up there passes every non-booner they see?

How does KY get their age data? I have never seen a game check point.


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On tele-check you tell them the age LMAO [emoji12]

185P&Y

 

[Roost 1]

People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120...

Really? So why is it--by the KY's own admission--that over 70% of the antlered bucks killed in their state each year are 2 1/2 or younger? I thought everybody up there passes every non-booner they see?

How does KY get their age data? I have never seen a game check point.


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I have seen biologists, I assume that's who they were, at taxidermy shops aging the heads brought in and on all quota hunts they age the harvested deer both male and female. Granted this is actually a very small percent but maybe its all the hard data they need.

 

[BSK]

People up there don't think twice about passing up a 2.5 y/o 10pt that pushes 120...

Really? So why is it--by the KY's own admission--that over 70% of the antlered bucks killed in their state each year are 2 1/2 or younger? I thought everybody up there passes every non-booner they see?

How does KY get their age data? I have never seen a game check point.

I really don't know. I'm just going by the last data they reported that I have access to (2012 data reported to the QDMA).

 

[BSK]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

 

[Headhunter]

A limit will not increase age structure in my opinion simply because the bulk of tn residence only kill 1-2 antler deer a year...my opinion antler restriction will influence an increase in age structure in the quickest time. My thought is 3 buck limit...1 8 pt tag and two 9pts or better tags or two 5 pts on one side tags

Never, and I mean NEVER an antler restriction (or a kill a doe first restriction) on the first buck. That is just wrong. After the first buck any restriction (8 points, 10 points, 15" wide, 20" wide, kill a doe, kill 10 does, etc.) is ok, but not ever on the first one.

 

[Headhunter]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

Huge difference from Tennessee.

Sure people break the law (I would like to think the majority of hunters follow the law in both states), they do at times in both Tennessee and Kentucky (meaning some people argue with 1 buck limit people will just kill more than one), but in Kentucky that yearling is their ONE buck.

In Tennessee, that "yearling killer" can kill 3 yearlings.

 

[Os2 Outdoors]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

Why did we lower the limit from 11 to 2 then to 3 if harvests limits doesn't affect how many bucks are removed or affect hunter selectivity??

185P&Y

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

In 2012 KY killed 32% 1.5 year old bucks
In 2012 TN killed 44% 1.5 year old bucks

12% is a pretty big gap

And if you look at the trend the gap has been getting wider since 2010. Could it be that the statewide 3 buck limited imposed about that time started that trend.

 

[BSK]

In Tennessee, that "yearling killer" can kill 3 yearlings.

Doesn't matter who is killing them. In both states around a third of all antlered bucks killed are yearlings. So how is KY's one buck limit "saving" so many young bucks? It isn't, plain and simple.

 

[BSK]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

In 2012 KY killed 32% 1.5 year old bucks
In 2012 TN killed 44% 1.5 year old bucks

12% is a pretty big gap

And if you look at the trend the gap has been getting wider since 2010. Could it be that the statewide 3 buck limited imposed about that time started that trend.

Now wait until the 2014 stats are final for TN. I believe they are going to be in the mid 30s.

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

In 2012 KY killed 32% 1.5 year old bucks
In 2012 TN killed 44% 1.5 year old bucks

12% is a pretty big gap

And if you look at the trend the gap has been getting wider since 2010. Could it be that the statewide 3 buck limited imposed about that time started that trend.

Now wait until the 2014 stats are final for TN. I believe they are going to be in the mid 30s.

So tn is all of a sudden going to drop to the mid 30's after being in the low to mid 40's the last four years. KY may drop to the low 30's high 20's

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Another interesting stat from KY--where everyone passes up bucks until they are monsters--the wildlife agency reported that in 2012, 1/3 of all antlered bucks killed were yearlings. I think the 2014 stats for TN are going to come in pretty close to that as well.

So much for a 1 buck limit influencing hunters to pass up young bucks.

In 2012 KY killed 32% 1.5 year old bucks
In 2012 TN killed 44% 1.5 year old bucks

12% is a pretty big gap

And if you look at the trend the gap has been getting wider since 2010. Could it be that the statewide 3 buck limited imposed about that time started that trend.

also in 2012
KY killed 29% 3.5 years old or older bucks
TN killed 18% 3.5 years old or older bucks

11% gap

Just a little proof that they can be killed when they get older.

 

[landman]

In Tennessee, that "yearling killer" can kill 3 yearlings.

Doesn't matter who is killing them. In both states around a third of all antlered bucks killed are yearlings. So how is KY's one buck limit "saving" so many young bucks? It isn't, plain and simple.

Cause the 2nd Bucks that are being killed 44% of them are 1.5 old buck
same as the 3rd Bucks, and 4th bucks....

 

[TheLBLman]

also in 2012
KY killed 29% 3.5 years old or older bucks
TN killed 18% 3.5 years old or older bucks

11% gap

Just a little proof that they can be killed when they get older.

That is "noteworthy", to say the least.
By the way, my opinion, the difficulty of hunting skill needed for regularly killing an older buck has been vastly overstated. It's really more an issue of their existing in relatively small numbers (at least in most of TN), making the task "seem" more difficult. While the hunting tactics needed to regularly take older bucks (particularly mature ones) are a little different, they are not necessarily that much more difficult or challenging to kill, mostly little more than having the intestinal fortitude to pass up those "nice" bucks the "nicer" bucks tend to come along behind.

As solid proof regarding this lack of difficulty, just take a look at the annual "older" buck harvest on a single weekend ARCHERY hunt at President's Island WMA. This WMA has a higher (per day, per hunter) success rate on 3 1/2 & older bucks than most others do while gun-hunting "deer, period". Why? Because more 3 1/2 & older bucks exist on PI than exist (per square mile) on other public hunting areas in TN, thus it becomes easier to kill one with a bow on PI than it is with a gun somewhere else.