If straight wall cartridges become legal during muzzleloader will you use them?
Straight wall cartridges for muzzleloader?
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I'd rather go the other direction and only allow flint or cap lock before I'd want to allow CENTERFIRE during muzzleloader.
Some things are supposed to have certain levels of difficulty, and they might not be for everyone. I just don't understand the mentality of making everything easy. What's next, does everyone get a free participation trophy with their muzzleloader license?
Some things are supposed to have certain levels of difficulty, and they might not be for everyone. I just don't understand the mentality of making everything easy. What's next, does everyone get a free participation trophy with their muzzleloader license?
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Guess it's like wimping down the military so anyone can join. Or dumbing down the school system so anyone can graduate. By definition it's not a ML, so I would not support or go along with.
ImThere
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IF it becomes legal I would use one. But I hope it never does.
Sure hope it doesn't happen but I think we're headed that direction.
I would prefer to see ML become more primitive. ML's are basically as effective as rifles in the hardwoods anyway.
I already have one so yes
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I hunted with a side lock for many years. In all honesty...it got to easy, so I quit. The deer haven't really been pressured, and you can (or should be able to) get very close. I have nothing against SMLs, but I wouldn't allow them in the ML season either. I just don't think either falls within the spirit of hunting with a ML. My personal opinion...it should be side lock or flintlock....and possibly patched round ball. My only reservation with round ball is on game performance, otherwise that would also be a requirement. Heck, I wouldn't even be opposed to making it smooth bore...
I just feel like these modern advancements in ML technology have moved away from the original spirit of the ML season.
I hear you.I hunted with a side lock for many years. In all honesty...it got to easy, so I quit. The deer haven't really been pressured, and you can (or should be able to) get very close. I have nothing against SMLs, but I wouldn't allow them in the ML season either. I just don't think either falls within the spirit of hunting with a ML. My personal opinion...it should be side lock or flintlock....and possibly patched round ball. My only reservation with round ball is on game performance, otherwise that would also be a requirement. Heck, I wouldn't even be opposed to making it smooth bore...
I just feel like these modern advancements in ML technology have moved away from the original spirit of the ML season.
Whats next, Claymore mines in muzzleloader season?
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Seems like a strange question to me. Why would straight wall cartridges become legal during muzzleloader season? Is someone proposing this?
Here in West TN we already get to take our rifles and they eliminated muzzleloader season. They are discussing brining it back and I would like to see it happen. I think I would still just carry my muzzleloader with me. Shooting blackhorn and all the other advances. The only difference is really follow up shot speed.
That's a good question that I'd like to hear answered by the powers that be. Course I'd probably get told to sit down and shut up, that the decision has already been made. We're just acting like we really want to hear other opinions.
Southern Sportsman
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There is a trend away from "muzzleloader seasons" towards "primitive weapon seasons." Basically just a way to sell more licenses by allowing people to use additional weapons during what use to be a more restricted season. Some states have already done this (MS I think?) and it has been tossed around the F&W Commission for a few years now. Of course that begs the question — how should we define a "primitive weapon?" Straight wall cartridge guns seem to be a popular choice for the line of demarcation.
I'm 100% against it, but I have to acknowledge that it has become harder to determine where to draw the line. I shoot an in-line ML with 209 ignition. A true traditionalist could legitimately argue that this is a huge departure from what ML hunting was all about 20 years ago. And we already allow smokeless muzzleloaders that can accurately shoot 300 yards, which I am also against personally, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to complain much.
TNGunsmoke
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No. They are already legal during big game gun, so you can use one if you desire to. Just not during ML. You can use a bow during big game gun if you desire, hunt with what you want, within the framework that is already in place.
Same here
tnpoorboy
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Yes they are for next few yrs reg
megalomaniac
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Agree completely. Make them more primitive (black powder only, no sabots, no scopes, no 209 primers, no inlines. Current MLs are just single shot rifles and have been so bastaradized from what was originally intended when season was created.
Or just allow any weapon during ML season on private lands. Still require a ML tag so TWRA doesn't lose revenue
tnpoorboy
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Yes they are looking at it next yr reg
What about just having "deer season", and let people choose what weapon they want to hunt with.
If it were legal I wouldn't be opposed to it. 2 things that affected my vote of "no" is 1. I don't have one and I probly wouldn't buy one for a 2 week season, and 2. I rely on public land and the WMA I hunt is "shotgun/ML" only. Now if I could use my shotgun that'd be a different story. After all, my shotgun shells are straight walled
Same old argument as archery back in the day, pure semantics .
Archery:
Spear>Long bow>recurve>compound>overdraw compounds>crossbow.
Most states allow crossbows now & I bet that there are more people using them than any other style. I've used them all but a spear as they are still "archery". Remember when the "Bear Whitetail Hunter" was introduced & dog cussed by most bowhunters as it wasn't" traditional"?
Primitive Weapon:
Smoothbore>rifled flintlock>#11 percussion>pistol primer conversion percussion>#11 cap inline black powder>209 inline black powder>smokeless>straight wall
Some of the smokeless are 300+yd guns and far from "primitive". I never made the jump to smokeless but my Encore is not primitive either.
Already thinking about having Mike Bellum make me a .44GP barrel just in case TN allows them
Archery:
Spear>Long bow>recurve>compound>overdraw compounds>crossbow.
Most states allow crossbows now & I bet that there are more people using them than any other style. I've used them all but a spear as they are still "archery". Remember when the "Bear Whitetail Hunter" was introduced & dog cussed by most bowhunters as it wasn't" traditional"?
Primitive Weapon:
Smoothbore>rifled flintlock>#11 percussion>pistol primer conversion percussion>#11 cap inline black powder>209 inline black powder>smokeless>straight wall
Some of the smokeless are 300+yd guns and far from "primitive". I never made the jump to smokeless but my Encore is not primitive either.
Already thinking about having Mike Bellum make me a .44GP barrel just in case TN allows them
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UTGrad
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45 70
Best caliber for the woods IMO
Best caliber for the woods IMO
Shotguns with slugs too? Or just straight wall rifle cartridges?
Hardwoodmaterials
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Either make ML season primative with open sights and no inlines allowed or just open it up as deer season and let people hunt with what they want. A smokeless ML isn't even close to primative. Its just a rifle without a brass case and will outshoot almost any straight wall cartridge anyway. The only reason it's even a discussion is the TWRA wants to sell the ML permits.
yes but i hate them with a passion. i normally use my bow. i have a savage smokeless. great gun. deadly accurate....weights hundred pounds and i hate all teh "trinkets" required to make it go boom. i like simple. single shot 45-70 si no more deadly, but all i would have to do is pull a bullet out of pocket
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I voted "no". I usually travel and bow hunt one of those weeks, and I'm too cheap to buy a new gun just to hunt the couple of days I am here. It makes no difference to me if they allow it or not and wouldn't petition TWRA/TWRC either way.
Round ball always did a really good job for me when it came to game performance.I hunted with a side lock for many years. In all honesty...it got to easy, so I quit. The deer haven't really been pressured, and you can (or should be able to) get very close. I have nothing against SMLs, but I wouldn't allow them in the ML season either. I just don't think either falls within the spirit of hunting with a ML. My personal opinion...it should be side lock or flintlock....and possibly patched round ball. My only reservation with round ball is on game performance, otherwise that would also be a requirement. Heck, I wouldn't even be opposed to making it smooth bore...
I just feel like these modern advancements in ML technology have moved away from the original spirit of the ML season.
Southern Sportsman
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I honestly haven't delved into the details of the proposals/discussion for TN, so don't quote me, but I don't think shotguns/slugs are really on the table right now. Just straight wall rifles like 45-70 and .44 mag. Of course, using the straight wall cartridge as the defining element allows for some newer (definitely not "primitive" but still straight walled) calibers like the 450 Bushmaster and 350 legend.
For you guys that want it more restricted, are you yourselves hunting without sights, smoothbore flintlocks all season? I know some do, but it's not the norm.
