Not to hijack any other threads but are there any landowners here that OnX shows there property lines to be accurate. on a OnX map my property lines are up to 100 yards off, and I see so many hunters using onX
OnX and property lines
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deerhunter10
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Mine are pretty close. Just had a survey done and it's not updated and they are really close on my home place. Our other properties seem close to. They get the information from the property accessor if I'm not mistaken.
Mine are very close although through use, I have found mistakes along the way.
Mine are very close on 1 out of 5 tracts. The rest are off, just like tax maps, not legal representations.
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Mine are spot on but so are my tax maps
Creek
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I only have experience with one of the four edges of some land we recently purchased, and it was right on.
I will have to update at a later time for the other property lines.
This thread has got me curious and when the time comes, I will be comparing OnX to Google as well.
Update: Around 12-13-23 I checked two more of the property lines and they were dead on.
I will have to update at a later time for the other property lines.
This thread has got me curious and when the time comes, I will be comparing OnX to Google as well.
Update: Around 12-13-23 I checked two more of the property lines and they were dead on.
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TITANSFAN2104
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I've found them to be be pretty far off around old hickory
J.A.F.O.
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For me it's hit and miss…used it to help us survey an old piece of property we had. Used the plot and second verify with x. It wasn't off by much on 6 different points. Been out in places I know well and they were spot on. Definitely wouldn't entirely trust it to ride a line and hope I was legal.
Omega
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Don't use OnX but Hunt Stand uses the same data and it's pretty close on the four places I own, I wouldn't trust just the app though, I would verify by finding the pins or other survey markers if possible, specially on a new place.
Standard old school practices still apply tho, make absolutely certain you know who's land you're on before entering it. It can be a little more time consuming, but still required to know for certain. Just too many "mistaken" trespassing incidents lately using an app and thinking it's exactly right.
Crappieaddict
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Close
Close but not perfect. Way better than anything we've ever had before though
Polarkraft
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Define far off? I disagree. I've found them to be pretty accurate on hickory
Had a talk with the maps person at the courthouse close to 10 years ago, they redrew some county map lines based on existing deeds. My map line on one side shifted just slightly, but still shows I go over a good ways past what was an interior fence when I bought the place.
I walked the line using Landglide, there is a climber in a tree that is right smack dab on my line. That climber was put there sometime during the season last year, I found it late in the season. No one has been back to it since I found it. I think they poached the 11 point I was after early last year, lucky for them that I didn't find that stand while they were in it.
Also using Landglide I have used the measure tool looking at the deed of the neighboring property to confirm my point at the road matches the map almost exactly, within maybe a yard. When the property on that side of me changed hands I measured that same line with my rangefinder and it also came to the same point. Being that onx uses the tax maps, I think for our property should be close.
I walked the line using Landglide, there is a climber in a tree that is right smack dab on my line. That climber was put there sometime during the season last year, I found it late in the season. No one has been back to it since I found it. I think they poached the 11 point I was after early last year, lucky for them that I didn't find that stand while they were in it.
Also using Landglide I have used the measure tool looking at the deed of the neighboring property to confirm my point at the road matches the map almost exactly, within maybe a yard. When the property on that side of me changed hands I measured that same line with my rangefinder and it also came to the same point. Being that onx uses the tax maps, I think for our property should be close.
Did that climber belong to the adjacent landowner you think? I found a guy hunting a marked tree on my place once, dividing my property from another landowner.
BSK
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I would never use OnX to mark a property line, but I use OnX to FIND property corners all the time. The app generally gets me withing 20-30 yards, so for my uses, it's pretty darn good.
I've found it to be pretty close on our places. One thing I learned from surveying years ago was that most landowners fenced to the nearest tree on wooded tracts, making the fence meander with the true line.
Most folks who've had property a long time tend to go by fences and often don't identify true property lines, so for that reason among others, I wouldn't argue with someone over a few feet of the boundary in a hunting situation, especially if I didn't own the property. It ain't worth it.
But heck I wouldn't be right up against it anyway. Too many potential problems.
Most folks who've had property a long time tend to go by fences and often don't identify true property lines, so for that reason among others, I wouldn't argue with someone over a few feet of the boundary in a hunting situation, especially if I didn't own the property. It ain't worth it.
But heck I wouldn't be right up against it anyway. Too many potential problems.
BSK
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I'm not a surveyor, but I do map properties with a highly accurate GPS unit (with post-processing, I'm usually within 18" of the true location). And a strange thing I've noticed is that even modern surveyors do not correct improperly marked property lines. I've mapped properties where the deed calls say the property line is a straight shot from point A to Point B, yet if the painted property line between those two points is GPS-located, it wanders all over the place. I've seen lines painted that were more than a 100 yards off. Any surveyors want to fill me in on why this is?
Likely the property owners have gone back and painted their version of the line. I deal with this EVERY SINGLE TIME someone buys some land bordering my property it seems. They come in and first thing they do is tie ribbons where they THINK the line runs, then I find their flags and have to go have a talk with them about where the actual lines run. There's paint and marker pins that have been there for years now, and I helped the surveyor do the job, so I know every inch and every pin.
I got out of surveying before GPS dominated it. When we marked lines, it was line of sight with an EDM or lines shot in from Reference Points. It was pretty accurate.
My guess is that what you encounter could be from surveyors not double checking themselves from two or more known reference points, or in a lot of instances, general laziness on tough, way out in the country surveys. Maybe they thought close was good enough, much like fencing to the nearest tree.
But, if a person is putting in new fences or cutting timber, they dang well better be accurate.
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Don't think it is his, he doesn't hunt. He could have let someone on him though. I don't really get along with him, have helped him time and again and he is just a yankee douche that tries to take advantage.
Either way where it's at, they were sitting next to the oaks that are on my property, and looking at the soybean plot that I had in. I suspect the owner of the climber came across the neighboring property to get to where the stand is hung. I put a camera on it the day I found it, never had anyone come to it, and it still sits there in the same position on the tree that is been for about a year now.
MUPs first line is more than likely what's happened.Likely the property owners have gone back and painted their version of the line. I deal with this EVERY SINGLE TIME someone buys some land bordering my property it seems. They come in and first thing they do is tie ribbons where they THINK the line runs, then I find their flags and have to go have a talk with them about where the actual lines run. There's paint and marker pins that have been there for years now, and I helped the surveyor do the job, so I know every inch and every pin.
The reason I asked is bc I contacted the guy after he shot and I knew he was close by and seemed like the shot was from my property. I came over the ridge and saw him climbing down and went to meet him. He was literally on a painted tree, in a fence row, turned and facing the field belonging to the other landowner. He told me he had permission from the other guys that had leased the field, but were themselves hunting on down the road at another lease. I contacted the GW and was told that legally he wasn't hunting ON my property so no legal action could be taken, but the ethics of his location were definitely questionable. He asked if he could search for the deer he shot, bc of course he shot it and it ran into the woods on my property. That's just too close IMO, and I don't have my stands within 100 yards of the other property lines around my place as a buffer to hopefully allow for deer to run without crossing the lines when shot.
Another thing. Most surveyors are very hesitant to change up long established lines, even if they know them to be slightly off if hard corners aren't correctly established. It can become a legal headache. I couldn't tell you how many calls were for "the property corner is a 30" White Oak, with three blaze marks. " Or, "a set stone one foot long."
You get there and look around and sheesh, the tree is gone, or there's a pile of rocks. It gets tricky after that, so most let roughly established lines go in those situations.
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And dealing with calls in poles and rods from old deeds as well.
Our surveyor, who has since passed away, was meticulous in his preparation and layout of our land. I'm still cutting out sections when I buy from other family members and draw out the plat within the outer boundary that he initially drew and put on the ground. The new surveyor that I use for this work now has gone from my drawings (CAD) for several lots I have purchased thru the years, but finally asked if he could shoot the line from my main tract to another smaller tract to check his measurements from my, and another landowner tract he had done years before as well. I agreed and when he finished he contacted me to tell me that never, in his 50+ years of surveying, had he shot such a long distance, across multiple tracts, and had the marker come out exactly, to the center of the pin, of the corner marker of my other tract. I told him that I do draw within thousandths of an inch on the computer, but the credit went to the old surveyor who initially laid it all out and put it on the ground out there. He was amazed that it was dead on, and he said not within an inch or so, but dead on to the corner pin he was shooting to.
The short answer is Onx can be highly accurate or inaccurate depending on what source the map was drawn from. Our farm is pretty close to right on but we had it surveyed and recorded about 9 years ago. Another property has the line going through the middle of the property and down the center of the road for that one tract, just like the tax map which is wrong. The size and shape of that tract is correct, its just shifted about 50 yards East and 20 yards South.
square
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Does anyone use Basemap? I thought all the apps use tax records, so they won't be accurate if the tax map is off.
Creek
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JN
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I use onX and for most of the places it is close enough you can then figure out the lines by markings or pins. Now one place I hunt at is all screwed up on onX has property lines going up into the national forest and one property line go right through his neighbors house. My father Inlaw also lives just down the road from him and when he bought the adjoining property and had it surveyed the county ended up taking a large portion of the property because they had put the road in the wrong place and needed right away along the road. So in saying that I don't think onX is putting the lines in the wrong locations they are just going off the data given to them and which could be wrong.
