Montana Mule Deer Hurting

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These late winter storms they just got certainly aren't going to help them rebound. It continues to look grim for Montana's deer and Antelope.
 

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ITS BAD! REAL BAD! 2 years ago where I hunt, you could drive the 40 miles from town out to where I hunt and see 200 any evening and going in before daylight you couldnt drive over 40 unless you wanted to run over them. Last year that same drive out netted ZERO deer seen in the evening and ZERO before daylight!
 

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TO: Region 7 Commissioner William Lane and other FWP Commission members

From: Dean Parisian, Montana Non-Resident land-owner, tax payer, 50-year Montana hunter and trapper

I listened intently last evening, Jan. 4, 2021 to the online meeting at the Region 7 HQ in Miles City conducted by FWP personnel. It was a good meeting, all in attendance were respectful and courteous. Mr. Lane, in 1969 I started work on the Garber Ranch outside of your hometown of Ismay and worked there for four summers. My father was in Law Enforcement with the Bureau of Indian Affairs and retired out of Crow Agency in 1985. We have never met but I know you know well the Garber Land & Livestock property which has been a very good ranch in the Block Management Program. Back then, coyotes were under assault from strychnine "getters", there were few eagles, elk were just getting a good start in the Powder River country, we saw a bighorn ewe once in the Powder River breaks and mule deer and antelope were far plentiful. Fast forward to the good old days of 2022!

Here are my comments:

As appointed public officials we all agree that your duty and responsibility is to the resource first and then be accountable to the Montana hunting community for your actions and votes. As a non-resident, we all know that non-Residents pay the freight at FWP ,yet they have zero representation in Montana outside of MOGA. Outside of big-game outfitters there aren't that many things hated in Montana as much as wealthy non-resident landowners. Non-resident landowners control a large amount of land and those lands sustain a tremendous amount of wildlife in the State of Montana, I'm one of those guys. We fawn approximately 80 to 100 whitetails, feed 150 deer year around and provide winter cover for at times, 300 deer on my two mile stretch of the Yellowstone River. Listening to the discussion last evening was eye-opening. The FWP, Big landowners, MOGA, the MT Statutes, the Commission, everyone seems to have an agenda that for some reason, well obvious reasons left here unsaid, don't work entirely together. I heard enough last night to weigh in. The social aspects, the science, the politics, hard to swallow. Who is looking out for the resource? When I went to work on Wall Street in 1982 I learned to follow the money. Some things never change.
 

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It was mentioned that every decade there is a survey done of the Montana hunting community. The last time I believe they said was 2011 if memory serves. Honestly, there is an absolute great opportunity to survey all Montana hunters, both resident and non-resident when the post-season telephonic surveys are completed. I would bet my saddle horse that most hunters would answer an additional 5 to 8 questions honestly and openly when called. Those callers are good, professional and respectful in my mind. I am one of those Montana hunters that is concerned about the mule deer resource. The Region 7 mule deer population is extremely unstable, contrary to what the FWP biologists are saying, with all due respect to Steve Atwood who I personally like, we just disagree on mule deer being at "objective". Look, they say they fly the Region every year and take turns making observations. How can anyone make accurate predictions and set rational seasons if you don't have accurate data inputs? Elk are nomadic, those elk move, how can you accurately assess population numbers on one fly-over? Get these biologists in the air two or three times a year or pay private contractors to get an accurate assessment of numbers. The deer numbers in the Custer Forest are way, way down. Mule deer numbers north of I-94 are way, way down. Ask any outfitter, any hunter, any FWP Warden. Todd Anderson, FWP Captain is a great hunter and trapper, he will tell you what is going on if you don't believe me. Allowing residents to kill 7 mule deer does a year is stunningly wrong. I buy mule deer doe tags (at non-resident prices) and throw them away as do many of my friends. Do any of you study what other states are doing with their mule deer herds? Does anyone at FWP study other states models? Stop listening to hunters and cut the season back. Listening to hunters on setting season dates is like listening to a drug addict tell you much they want to quit after their next fix. If you can't kill a deer in 4 weeks do you need 5 or 6? Shut down the season on November 15. Stop all those big breeding bucks from getting killed during the rut. With the Montana population influx you will eventually have to go to a lottery system sooner or later anyway. And for heavens sake, if deer hunters in Region 1 or 2, have a 3 week season, I am sure they will want to trot out to eastern Montana and put the Ford Sneak on a big buck during the rut. Make the seasons across the board, protect the resource, do the herds a favor. And one more simple request, make those Region 1 and 2 tags good for only that Region.

As for elk, there isn't a need to run a "shoulder season" until February 15th. Heavens, you shoot a cow elk in a herd of 140, they run for miles, getting away from good feed and cover and that only does one thing, puts more stress on the entire herd. There just isn't a reason to drop a cow elk in February, walk up and gut it out while the calf is already good size. If you can't work with a rancher between September and say January to get a cow elk killed you don't need a elk killed on Valentines Day. For grins, think about this, build a web site, match up potential cow elk killers with ranchers. Let them know what the access fee is going to be, provide a clearing house of sorts, it can't be that hard on a Region basis. I could probably build a clearing house page on Facebook in the time it takes to drink a thermos of coffee. It's just the stress of running animals, deep snow, cold temperatures more fences coming down, the Montana resource doesn't need it, Montana ranchers don't need it.
 

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Regarding the whitetail DOE tags in Region 7, there should be no issue with allowing (non-resident) hunters who are landowners to purchase two tags. Enhancing revenue and helping landowners manage their property regardless of the severity of EHD, CWD, coyotes, drought, etc. should be an easy decision for the Commission. As a non-resident rancher and sustaining such a large number of animals is so disappointing when family members are unable to draw A tags in the lottery draw. There is no one looking out for the biggest revenue generators to FWP and they probably want it that way. Guys like me, wealthy non-resident landowners who do more to sustain the resource than anyone don't feel like letting locals on to hunt when the State of MT won't allow family members to draw tags.

While I am on the subject, as a life-long trapper of cats and canines across many states over the years, it is difficult to justify why non-residents can't trap beaver, mink, muskrats, bobcats. Sure we can pound on fox and coyotes but the lack of access to those animals may do some good and would allow reciprocity for Montana trappers who trap out-of-state.

On my final note, running a pheasant season to February 1 is going to start a beautiful caravan of die-hard pheasant hunters from Minnesota and North Dakota come January. Probably not a single biological reason to not allow killing of roosters all winter, the single greatest threat is of course hunters and dogs beating winter cover to death and not allowing those birds to get tucked in properly when bad weather hits. The local die-hard Montana bird hunters don't usually follow possession limits on pheasants anyway and will get their limit daily no matter what. Enforcement doesn't seem to stop them. My comment is to leave the season alone the way it is. Give the birds a break
In Montana, the Montana Fish Wildlife & Parks crowd are beholden to state legislators, MOGA (Montana Outfitters & Guides Association) and some very large landowners. Their crowing about adaptive harvest management and referencing the benchmark long-term averages pales in comparison to what Colorado does to manage their deer herds.
In Region 7 where my ranch is located on a couple miles of the Yellowstone River, mule deer numbers are dismal. Down and trending lower. In 2020 which was just 700 days ago they issued 11,000 mule deer B tags which invariably means doe tags though they give little regard to the simple fact that half of the fawns killed are buck fawns. A year ago MT issued 5,500 B tags in Region 7 and this year only 3,000.
Deer management by the seat of your pants is what I call it.
Running a season for 6 weeks into the rut is ridiculous but what do I know about managing mule deer? The last mule deer seen on my ranch was in 2018, killed by a shooter who I confronted trespassing on my property gutting it out. The resource is suffering and what is in place today has to end. The usual call to simply "follow-the-money" is a beautiful place to start in setting seasons in Montana. Call me out, debate me, phone me up personally if you think different but you know it's true. The years of pandering to the crowds of hunters, hotel owners, cafe owners, FWP personnel, outfitters, guides, gas stations owners, the gun lobby, the archery lobby, the muzzleloader lobby, the cartridge manufacturers, and on and on and on it goes. The resource is dealing with drought to their feed, hunting pressure, disease, predators, browse, water and on and on and on.
Not certain about what a bad winter might do to the Montana herds but the proverbial good old days are here today and it is not a promising future over the short term.
Owning a ranch in eastern Montana and having grown up there 50 years ago I have a fair amount of personal history to draw on. A year ago I spoke with a biologist in the Region 7 offices in Miles City and told him the numbers I had observed in covering thousands of miles in eastern Montana all fall were way, way down.
I found it odd that his lack of credence in my ability to observe mule deer in eastern Montana was rather short-sighted but one thing for sure, if there's deer there I will see them.
Fast forward to what I was trying to explain to him without any success. Another sad day for mule deer in Montana.

"The Montana deer population survey numbers for 2022 were published late last year and show that mule deer numbers are down, way down! There are a lot of factors to blame, starting with the largest culprit that has been proven by research in many Western states and that is drought. Research shows deer (does) that go into winter in poor shape, with minimal body fat in dry years, have much lower fawn health and birth rates in the spring of the next year. 2020-2022 were very dry years in the eastern half of the state and forage in the fall of 2021 was especially poor when I hunted there. Trophy quality also seemed to be hurt by the drought. In 2022 population counts showed 58,000 mule deer in Region 7 which is down from 114,000 in 2020; that's a 52% decrease!

Disease is also another factor and sure doesn't help the situation; EHD, Blue Tongue, and CWD. All of these diseases have affected the eastern half of the state the last few years. CWD has been the one in the spotlight recently but there's no proof that CWD has wiped out entire herds of deer in the West unless you consider how it has impacted state's like Montana's deer management policies.

Overhunting could also be a factor. Montana gained a lot of residents the last two years and if you don't know, Montana is an opportunity state and is not managed for trophies. It's managed for opportunity, hence the many general tag areas. Basically Montana is a, "If it's brown, it's down" kind of state and all of Regions 6 and 7 are either-sex, either species except for one district on the general tag. In addition there are thousands of antlerless tags available for each species in these regions as well."

I say Montana needs more hunters. They need more "come home to hunt" hunters, more youth seasons, more late season muzzleloader seasons, more military hunters, and more resident hunters and while they are at it, why not extend the cow elk season into April from February 15 so hunters can eat veal from a fetus? I say all of that sarcastically but you know the resource is suffering and low fur prices aren't doing much to cut back the never-ending problem of coyotes on fawns.

I say shut the mule deer season down on November 12th.

Every year.
 

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Something needs to change, thats for sure! Im really debating whether I want to bother putting in this year. It takes 2 years now to draw and if the population goes down as much in the next 2 years as it has in the last 2, there wont be a deer out there to hunt. Plus I would feel bad if I killed it!
 

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Mule deer as a whole seem to be on the decline thought the west. Met 5-6 guys in a bar in Ekalaka MT this past November that were from WA. They had driven all that way to hunt does. Everyone of them had doe tags and think it was day 3 for them and none had killed! Asked why they'd drive all that way to shoot a doe and they said it took 20 pp's for them to draw a tag in WA. Guess I was fortunate to begin hunting them in CO back in the 70's, probably won't ever see it like that again...
Did hunt a 250K acre private ranch in Johnson Co, WY( MT Border) in 2008 that was covered up. The buck I killed was the 67th one that I saw that day.
 
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I have been hunting the same ranch in CO going on 10 yrs now. WHen I first started hunting it, no one else had hunted in years and the mule deer were everywhere, and I mean everywhere. Good quality bucks would just stand 30 yards from you and stare at you.

In the last 5yrs, the amount of "quality" deer I see has diminished considerably and the total amount of deer has seemed to go down. Where I used to see very good bucks almost daily, now I may see one or two good ones during the hunt. I'm still seeing a lot of deer, but nothing like it was 5-10 yrs ago.

Go to any western town in CO, and you will see plenty of deer. Colorado Springs, Monument, Denver suburbs, Woodland Park, are slap full of deer. Maybe they are getting smart and moving to the city.
 

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Go to any western town in CO, and you will see plenty of deer. Colorado Springs, Monument, Denver suburbs, Woodland Park, are slap full of deer. Maybe they are getting smart and moving to the city.
Sat at a traffic light in Ouray one morning while a parade of nice bucks crossed under it headed east. They stayed in their lane headed towards those old Victorian homes up the hill 🤣
 

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