Chicken poop

[Remington700]

Saw a debate on FB earlier tonight. Many farmers can't afford or can't get man made fertilizer. Many are resorting to using chicken poop. In my area they are getting it from Tyson chicken houses. The debate was over the diseases this could possibly spread by putting it in fields. Some people were saying farmers that have used it reported less turkeys sightings/hatch. I had never really thought about this as we face decline. I also believe that predators still play a role in nest raiding, but this was a different thought process that I hadn't thought about.

 

[RUGER]

Yep, came up on here a couple / few years ago.
I know, personally, there was one field I pass every day that was ALWAYS full of turkey in the fall.
Always.
The farmer put chicken poop, which also contains a bunch of dead chickens, if you didn't know... anyway from that Spring on, I am yet to see another bird in that field.
So, dunno.

 

[Bgoodman30]

I hunt a farm that uses it yearly. Yes there are fewer turkeys on it than before but I believe that is do to cover and habitat loss to make more tillable acreage.

In the last 4-5 years with continuous use the population has remained stable.

 

[Pic IN the Casa]

With HPAI still hot in the country I certainly understand the concern.

 

[Wrangler95]

I believe it's a combination of many things that is taking a toll on turkey's!!

 

[megalomaniac]

Main concern is for histomoniasis (blackhead disease). Chickens are fairly resistant, but turkeys are NOT. Bad stuff on turkeys, but I think part of the study was collecting some turkey livers and looking for the lesions. Haven't heard whether it was found or how often.

 

[Remington700]

Found these articles while researching. Basically more studies need to occur.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/t...M_Turkey_Disease_Study_Summary-_Sept_2016.pdf

https://www.mdwfp.com/wildlife-hunt...history/will-disease-decrease-turkey-numbers/

 

[bowhunterfanatic]

I hunt a farm that uses it yearly. Yes there are fewer turkeys on it than before but I believe that is do to cover and habitat loss to make more tillable acreage.

In the last 4-5 years with continuous use the population has remained stable.

Same for us. Don't think they are still using it but we didn't notice any differences when they were. That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it has a negative effect on the birds.

 

[Popcorn]

The concern is real and should be guarded however, a few notes to consider.
grower broilers are bred for meat production alone. Livability is not a trait that gets too much attention. Any little thing can kill some, stress is the number one killer in grower houses, underdeveloped bones and chill are also high on the list. This is why you see dead birds in the litter.

Growers disinfect regularly, not doing this can be the difference between profit and loss.
To transmit disease the birds must be diseased, for the most part their short life limits the exposure.

The threat from respiratory diseases than can and are spread by wild birds, mosquitoes are a far bigger threat than blackhead.
Not gonna say it cannot happen but I have spread hundreds of thousands of tons of crap over thousands of acres and have seen no harm to turkey or other game in over 10 years.

 

[prstide]

Should be made illegal due to the putrid smell it permeates through the air.

 

[ROVERBOY]

I can't really give a good opinion on this. I know in my area, there's a lot of it spread on pastures and hay fields. I realise it could spread possible diseases to turkeys and other wildlife. It'd probably loaded with steroids too. Who knows?

 

[Popcorn]

I can't really give a good opinion on this. I know in my area, there's a lot of it spread on pastures and hay fields. I realise it could spread possible diseases to turkeys and other wildlife. It'd probably loaded with steroids too. Who knows?

It is unlawful for commercial growers to give growth stimulants or antibiotics to poultry in the food chain. Monitoring / testing is spread throughout the industry. A single positive could result in many thousands of pounds of meat being destroyed, huge fines, and much more. Not gonna say it ain't happening but if found it can be unbelievably expensive for everyone involved in those birds.

 

[Kimber45]

I'm certainly pro-farmer… we'd be in a damn mess without em.. With that said, we had a neighbor hit a field near us with chicken crap last year. SOAB it was rough, and I can't fathom that it helps wildlife in any way. That's an issue, and another concern is crop duster pesticide drift, and how it impacts us and critters. Today, we had a crop duster flying right over the house for a while covering that same field. I've been on a bicycle while they're spraying with wind etc.. and it was mighty strong. These corners that are being cut to reduce costs certainly can have adverse effects.

 

[AlabamaSwamper]

Bingo

But because that industry is a billion dollar one, they can't mention it.

To political

But bingo

 

[Creek bottoms]

Chicken sh!t = fewer turkeys (or no turkeys). The regions of southern TN and southern KY where it is used have seen dramatic declines. Follow the $, however.

 

[Bgoodman30]

Chicken sh!t = fewer turkeys (or no turkeys). The regions of southern TN and southern KY where it is used have seen dramatic declines. Follow the $, however.

Maybe its chicken houses?

 

[GreeneGriz]

Saw a debate on FB earlier tonight. Many farmers can't afford or can't get man made fertilizer. Many are resorting to using chicken poop. In my area they are getting it from Tyson chicken houses. The debate was over the diseases this could possibly spread by putting it in fields. Some people were saying farmers that have used it reported less turkeys sightings/hatch. I had never really thought about this as we face decline. I also believe that predators still play a role in nest raiding, but this was a different thought process that I hadn't thought about.

Spreading chicken litter in fields has nothing to do with turkey declines. They've seen declines in areas where zero commercial turkey farms even exist.
The decline in turkey numbers has everything to do with an explosion in predator numbers and weather during nesting and the spread of avian influenza by migrating waterfowl.
I live in an area where chicken litter is a hot commodity. I sell over $40,000 of it a year and the areas I hunt use it on their fields, and have for 20+ years.
Turkey numbers are as high or higher than they've ever been. My familys farm in middle Tennessee uses Commercial fertilize and ZERO chicken litter and the turkey numbers were so low there from 2018-2021 that we didn't even hunt them on our farm during the 2019 and 2020 seasons.

 

[GreeneGriz]

BTW… waterfowl are carrying and spreading the diseases that are directly affecting turkeys and commercial poultry farms.
Commercial poultry are virtually disease free. The immune system of a wild Turkey is far superior and more resistant than a 42 day old broiler and anything they could pass along in their litter.

Also… most litter is stacked and goes thru several intense heats before being spread that kills most any bacteria and pathogens that might be in the litter.

 

[GreeneGriz]

Chicken sh!t = fewer turkeys (or no turkeys). The regions of southern TN and southern KY where it is used have seen dramatic declines. Follow the $, however.

If you want to "follow the money", look no further than the waterfowl industry that is working like mad and spending the $$ to suppress studies showing how the turkey decline follows the major migration flyways where waterfowl is spreading avian influenza that is killing not only commercial poultry and turkey , but eagles, buzzards, etc.
Chicken litter is the scapegoat excuse to defer from the real culprit.
Increased predation, poor poult sets, and avian influenza being spread by waterfowl.

 

[Popcorn]

I agree 100% with everything @GreeneGriz has stated above. Over 10 years in western Ky spreading thousands of tons af litter per year on farms where the turkey populations have gotten better every year and stand at phenomenal this season. The only answer is habit and predator control. These farms are not in a flyway.
Move south into Tennessee and see a more clear picture. Farms on the highlands with commercial fertilizer if any at all and good habitat = great turkey numbers with virtually no predator controls but also no flyways. Move to the river bottom's where habitat abounds, commercial fertilizer is everywhere, also virtually no predator control but constant contact with waterfowl. There you will find turkey barely exist on the farms I oversee in spite of my efforts to the contrary.
As far as the dollar goes Turkey hunting will never come close economically to duck hunting.

 

[TITANSFAN2104]

BTW… waterfowl are carrying and spreading the diseases that are directly affecting turkeys and commercial poultry farms.
Commercial poultry are virtually disease free. The immune system of a wild Turkey is far superior and more resistant than a 42 day old broiler and anything they could pass along in their litter.

Also… most litter is stacked and goes thru several intense heats before being spread that kills most any bacteria and pathogens that might be in the litter.

Yep most dont know it has to be composted for a pretty good while before they do anything with it and all the dead ones are supposed to be buried if any large number. My Brother in law had 16 barns up in burkesville KY from 1998 up until he recently sold them in the last 5 years or so. He used to spread it on all our places and i kill the heck out of turkeys and have for years!!

 

[Creek bottoms]

We'll get differing opinions on the subject. I've never seen a study tying turkey declines to chicken houses. There are those who believe that to be true, however. I did read on the NWTF website that bird flu did not affect wild turkeys. I certainly hate to see it affect chicken and turkey houses. Frankly, it wouldn't bother me if bird flu thinned out the raptor population.

One thing we can all agree on, predators have to be eliminated.

 

[GreeneGriz]

We'll get differing opinions on the subject. I've never seen a study tying turkey declines to chicken houses. There are those who believe that to be true, however. I did read on the NWTF website that bird flu did not affect wild turkeys. I certainly hate to see it affect chicken and turkey houses. Frankly, it wouldn't bother me if bird flu thinned out the raptor population.

One thing we can all agree on, predators have to be eliminated.

It does affect wild turkeys. There have been wild turkeys found dead that were positive right in our own state. Avian influenza aka "Bird Flu" have decimated entire farms of commercial turkey. The only bird known to not be affected by bird flu is Pigeons. And as rapidly as it is mutating, it is just a matter of time before they probably are affected.

 

[megalomaniac]

We'll get differing opinions on the subject. I've never seen a study tying turkey declines to chicken houses. There are those who believe that to be true, however. I did read on the NWTF website that bird flu did not affect wild turkeys. I certainly hate to see it affect chicken and turkey houses. Frankly, it wouldn't bother me if bird flu thinned out the raptor population.

One thing we can all agree on, predators have to be eliminated.

Avian influenza ABSOLUTELY will kill the snot out of turkeys. Remember when butterballs got up to over $3 per pound before Thanksgiving? That was because of avian influenza.

 

[Creek bottoms]

Avian influenza ABSOLUTELY will kill the snot out of turkeys. Remember when butterballs got up to over $3 per pound before Thanksgiving? That was because of avian influenza.

That was tame birds. Hopefully, the wild ones are much more resistant.

 

[BamaHudson]

Have to side with GreeneGriz here. In South AL chicken sheit is just about all they fertilize with and that's been one of the turkey hunting hotbeds as far back as anyone can remember.

Already been mentioned but the predators have become a massive massive problem. Never seen so many coyotes in my life. Fella started trapping for coons on some property he leased me for turkey season and got over 80 coons in a year on 250 acres.

We all got to make it a point to intentionally kill some predators. Great way to kill time between seasons

 

[GreeneGriz]

That was tame birds. Hopefully, the wild ones are much more resistant.

They're not.
It's been found in several states now. Including some positive for low path AI in Tennessee.

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/w...iscovered-in-wild-turkeys-for-first-time-ever

 

[Creek bottoms]

I read several similar articles on it earlier. It seems like it's being downplayed, for whatever reason, among wild turkeys.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Did you know that only 4-5 years ago that the state of Tennessee started regulating the chicken manure so that they couldn't spread it straight from the barn to the field? Because whether it was "supposed" to go through a heat cycle before hand or not, it was being spread immediately after the barn was pushed out.

 

[GreeneGriz]

Did you know that only 4-5 years ago that the state of Tennessee started regulating the chicken manure so that they couldn't spread it straight from the barn to the field? Because whether it was "supposed" to go through a heat cycle before hand or not, it was being spread immediately after the barn was pushed out.

I've grown chickens and worked in the industry all my life and never heard of that law and I'm a dues paying member of the Tennessee Poultry Association and attended every single meeting and law making session and round table discussion that happened.
You're probably referring to CAFO (concentrated animal feeding operations) permits that the USDA required anyone feeding animals of any kind in a concentrated area to keep record of who and how much manure they sold if it left their property.
All litter , goes thru a heat whether it is removed from the houses or not. It heats naturally. The more it is moved and piled the more heats it goes thru.
Most growers windrow their litter and let it go thru heats between growouts because it basically pasteurizes the litter and kills any pathogens that might be in the litter.
BTW, the Trump administration ended the unlawful and unconstitutional and unjust CAFO permit regulations that the Obama administration enacted. It cost farmers thousands of dollars each year just to file the paperwork.