Permethrin ?

Spurhunter said:

It doesn't exactly stink, but it's not a smell I want to smell hour after hour for days and weeks. My main complaint was the first day I had ticks crawling on my pants like they weren't treated. Maybe I got a bad batch.

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No telling what happened. I saturate the fire out of them and just did so to my pants and shirts after reading this thread. Will need to do my boots and seat later as well.

Gravey said:

No telling what happened. I saturate the fire out of them and just did so to my pants and shirts after reading this thread. Will need to do my boots and seat later as well.

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I spray down my vest also. I hate em!

I've done the 10% Martin thing for a good while and I watched a tick one time crawl up my leg and by the time he got above my knee he started going in circles then a min later his legs kinda curled up underneath him and he just sat there till I flicked him off.

Spurhunter said:

It doesn't exactly stink, but it's not a smell I want to smell hour after hour for days and weeks. My main complaint was the first day I had ticks crawling on my pants like they weren't treated. Maybe I got a bad batch.

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Ticks get all over your clothes. Permethrin isn't a repellant like DEET. But they are dead within 10 to 15 seconds and just fall off well before they have time to find an opening and attach.

Mosquitoes land on your thin shirts, bite you thru the thin stuff, then fall off dead. You get a tiny welp from the short bite, but you don't get the giant welps from one sucking on you for 60 seconds.

I like the chemical smell... its how I know it's time to retreat. When I start losing the faint odor, I'm figuring its time for another dowsing.

megalomaniac said:

Ticks get all over your clothes. Permethrin isn't a repellant like DEET. But they are dead within 10 to 15 seconds and just fall off well before they have time to find an opening and attach.

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That's the thing. They walked around for minutes with no adverse effects. I've never seen that with Sawyer's.

Spurhunter said:

That's the thing. They walked around for minutes with no adverse effects. I've never seen that with Sawyer's.

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Def was a bad batch. I have 10% Martin's and 36.8% agrisel zone plus.

Been using the same bottle 36.8% agrisel for past 6 or 7 years, and it hasn't gone bad. Only takes 2oz of that comcentrated stuff per gallon of water. Think I paid $20 for 32oz bottle, so it makes 16 gallons... so a little over $1.50 per gallon.

Here are some mixes I have saved. I use Martins 10% at the .50% concentrations if just passing through the woods, if I plan on sitting in the woods (camping or hunting) then I up it to the .76%. I always mix it by the gallon in a sprayer, lay out all my hunting clothes and spray them liberally, then let air dry. I save some in a small spray bottle to spray things I need to get or keep bugs off of, such as the tent openings and window nets/vents.

36.8% concentrate
2 oz per gallon/128 oz .57% concentration
2.7 oz per gallon .76% concentration
3.6 oz per gallon 1.0% concentration

10% concentrate
6.75 oz per gallon .50% concentration
10.5 oz per gallon .76% concentration
14.5 oz per gallon 1.0% concentration

17% concentrate
4 oz per gallon .52% concentration
6 oz per gallon .76% concentration
8 oz per gallon 1.0% concentration

Spurhunter said:

That's what I use. I mixed my own once, accurately down to the drop. I soaked my clothes, let them dry a couple days, then wore them turkey hunting. I had ticks crawling on my freshly treated clothes. Granted this was with Gordon's. I went back to Sawyer's and never looked back. Not as cheap as mixing your own, but I KNOW when I use Sawyer's I won't find a tick on me.

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Found the tall cans on clearance at Wally World. If I ever go through that god foresaken place I always check the clearance aisle. Works for me. Only been using for a year or two used to wear bug skinz.

I mix to a full 1%. Have done so for years. I use the permithren from co-op. It's 36.8%. It doesn't take much but smells like diesel. It doesn't bother me and the smell fades quickly. Turkeys don't wind you so no issues there.

For deer season I use happy jacks kennel dip 2. Doesn't really have a smell and is 17%.

Mix varies by the % permithren you want I.e. .5, .75, 1%.

I just use Sawyers, and I only use it on my leafy suit not anything that touches my skin. Has a bad experience with it on my skin when we sprayed our uniforms down before invading Iraq in 2003. Granted I don't know where it came from or how strong it was. They just handed us some clear garden sprayers already filled and said soak out uniforms and let them dry and we were good to go. Well I was not good to go. Didnt have to go back to the rear or anything but it felt like my skin was on fire. Plus the fact that after a few days I ran out of underoos because my ruck sack got destroyed I had no barrier between pants and the old twig and berries. Sorry for the long drawn out story, but everytime I hear or use the stuff I think about it.

Rakkin6 said:

I just use Sawyers, and I only use it on my leafy suit not anything that touches my skin. Has a bad experience with it on my skin when we sprayed our uniforms down before invading Iraq in 2003. Granted I don't know where it came from or how strong it was. They just handed us some clear garden sprayers already filled and said soak out uniforms and let them dry and we were good to go. Well I was not good to go. Didnt have to go back to the rear or anything but it felt like my skin was on fire. Plus the fact that after a few days I ran out of underoos because my ruck sack got destroyed I had no barrier between pants and the old twig and berries. Sorry for the long drawn out story, but everytime I hear or use the stuff I think about it.

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We had tons of these cans for many exercises and deployments, I would treat my uniform openings like the fly, cuffs, collar etc., and would spray the aerosol directly on insects which was like nerve gas to them. I also found some of the kits in a conex I had to clean out for turn-in, worked great too, never had any skin irritations, but remember that we were later warned not to put it directly on our skin, along with the "bug juice" we used to soften the camo sticks with to apply it to our face and other exposed skin areas because they may cause cancer. Now, many of the new uniforms come pretreated with it.

Omega said:

We had tons of these cans for many exercises and deployments, I would treat my uniform openings like the fly, cuffs, collar etc., and would spray the aerosol directly on insects which was like nerve gas to them. I also found some of the kits in a conex I had to clean out for turn-in, worked great too, never had any skin irritations, but remember that we were later warned not to put it directly on our skin, along with the "bug juice" we used to soften the camo sticks with to apply it to our face and other exposed skin areas because they may cause cancer. Now, many of the new uniforms come pretreated with it.
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I still have some of that bug juice and two of the loam/od sticks in the metal tubes. Found them in one of my tough boxes. No idea when or where I got it.

The first knew of it was when my dad worked for tva and he got some through them, it was a miracle potion at the time. Seems it was the late 70's? Could have been early 80's.

TN Larry said:

Martins 10% non-petroleum based mixed 1 oz to 16 oz of water. I bought a small pump sprayer that's around 30 to 40 oz off of Amazon and use it to apply.

Works really well.

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Do you have a link for the non-petroleum?

Martins 10% (the 13.3 has petroleum)

Premixed Sawyers

Roadracer6 said:

Do you have a link for the non-petroleum?

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See @Omega post. It is the 10% Martin's. It still has a smell to it but not as strong as petroleum. It don't matter for turkeys and figure if a deer can smell it then they can smell me too. Will take a chance with the deer to not have to worry about the dang ticks.