MidTennFisher
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Can someone post that study again about the delayed opener and breeding success?
3 bird limit???
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Bgoodman30
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Two weeks or 10 weeks, 2 birds or 4, open it late or open normal, none of that
matters, if poults aren't making it to adults!!
PREACH!
Go to season changes thread, very first post. I would post again if I knew how. Lol, here is a summary.
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megalomaniac
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Show me the data delaying season by 2 weeks last year hurt hunting success. I'm all ears.
deerhunter10
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It didn't best season I've ever seen. Even compared to 15 years ago with turkeys everywhere.
deerhunter10
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I would assume they lost license sales and also the complaining that some people have done. Honestly they never even gave it a chance at all.
Out law decoys of all kinds out law killing Jake's outlaw any kind of fall seasons. I don't agree or understand going 2 to 3 for the limit either. I know a pile of people that tagged out every year when it was 4. Honestly with the way twra is going now we won't have to worry about turkeys in 10 or 15 years.
Out law decoys of all kinds out law killing Jake's outlaw any kind of fall seasons. I don't agree or understand going 2 to 3 for the limit either. I know a pile of people that tagged out every year when it was 4. Honestly with the way twra is going now we won't have to worry about turkeys in 10 or 15 years.
TheLBLman
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There is no data showing this.
In fact, much of the "data" is flawed and misinterpreted.
The main reason more turkeys were killed last year is because nesting success had been above average the prior year (or two). That was just "luck". We had more turkeys last year, and we have more this year, for a combination of factors & luck.
The solution is not to go back to what was not working.
To those concerned about male decoys, the only effective way to reduce their effective use is by delaying the season opening. Even if made illegal, male decoys would be used by those wanting to use them, with less repercussion than those currently killing turkeys over bait.
The delayed season opening also reduces the attraction of illegal baiting.
All sucks. Just give me April. 1 or 2 birds. Focus on the egg stealers and it all be fixed.
This years harvest may scare them.
deerhunter10
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It will scare then. Pile of 2 year olds from last year. A ton of Jake's last year.
Worst here I've ever seen.
Setterman
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One thing that's been obvious for decades is the way our seasons are set. There is no adjusting to actual bird population fluctuations rather idiotic knee jerk reg changes with no real scientific basis. Couple of bad hatches in a row, lower the limit. Giant hatches like the last two, bump it up.
Instead twra in its brilliance left a large limit when we had multiple hatch failures in a row and the results showed.
The people tasked with managing our resources couldn't manage a lemonade stand in their own front yard
Instead twra in its brilliance left a large limit when we had multiple hatch failures in a row and the results showed.
The people tasked with managing our resources couldn't manage a lemonade stand in their own front yard
I don't know where the preoccupation with killing comes from. Isn't 2 enough? Turkey hunting is as close as there is to catch and release in hunting, isn't the whole thing with turkey hunting calling a bird into shotgun range? Or … is it really about the social media pics and being able to say you tagged out to anybody that will listen?
Southern Sportsman
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To what data are you referring?
Here is one of the many.
Assessing the Effects of the Spring Hunting Season Start Date on Wild Turkey Seasonal Productivity and Hunter Behavior
Many states throughout the Southeast have documented declines in wild turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) harvest and estimates of recruitment in poult-per-hen ratios. Wild turkey populations are driven by seasonal productivity, so the decline in these parameters may indicate a decline in the overall...
Google is your friend.
Southern Sportsman
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Did you actually review the data? Of just read the student's abstract?
The DATA shows a 21.6% increase in nest success in the three study counties (Wayne, Lawrence, and Giles) following the delay. Simultaneously, the two "control" counties (Maury and Bedford), which undoubtedly saw increased early hunting pressure from people who couldn't hunt in the study counties, saw a 4.9% decrease in nest success.
I'm not a statistician, but that seems like data indicating that the season delay may have helped.
Southern Sportsman
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That's a student's thesis paper. It contains data, but it is not, itself, data. If you read the actual data therein, you may be surprised.Here is one of the many.
Assessing the Effects of the Spring Hunting Season Start Date on Wild Turkey Seasonal Productivity and Hunter Behavior
Many states throughout the Southeast have documented declines in wild turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) harvest and estimates of recruitment in poult-per-hen ratios. Wild turkey populations are driven by seasonal productivity, so the decline in these parameters may indicate a decline in the overall...trace.tennessee.edu
Google is your friend.
When the limit was 4 , 6.4 percent of people killed the limit, when it was 3, 9 percent killed the limit. You are correct most people kill either 1 or 2 it's always around 90 percent or more each year. We have killed around 30,000 birds for the last 23 years no matter the limit, except 2020 when we killed more for obvious reasons of Covid. So yes most kill 1 or 2.
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I get your point but at the same time I enjoy to hunt and spend time in the field. Im not a social media warrior by any stretch but if Im fortunate enough to harvest 2 birds in 3 days then Im done. However if the limit (and population in my spots) allows 1 more then I could stretch out that last one longer. If I eat the tag because that 3rd one didnt happen EXACTLY how I wanted it to then Im happy to eat the tag (and have pleny in the past when it was limit of 4). I hunt solo 90% of the season so I dont get lots of opportunities to go after I have used my tags.
to say KILLING isnt part of the hunt would be lying, but I will say KILLING isnt a measurement of success of a hunt by any stretch
I have read it. A couple times actually. I'm at work so I don't have time to spell it out, but here's a quick snip-it of part of the results.
Hatchability averaged 0.86 (95% CI: 0.82, 0.90) over all 6 years. Before the delay,hatchability was 0.91 (95% CI: 0.84, 0.99) in no-delay counties and 0.84 (95% CI: 0.78, 0.9) indelayed counties. After the delay, hatchability was 0.85 (95% CI: 0.67, 1.00) in no-delay29counties and 0.87 (95% CI: 0.80, 0.94) in delayed counties (Table 2.2). The hatchability model indicated no difference before and after the season delay in delayed counties compared with nodelay counties (n = 86, β = 0.82, SEβ = 0.84, P Interaction, 82 = 0.33, Table 2.3).
This study is only 103 pages so it's an easy read. I would encourage people to read it themselves and form their own conclusion.
