JeepKuntry
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Still going back and forth on whether or not to put that much money into a scope. Mainly used for hunting and a little target practice. But my question is, is the RZ600 worth the extra 75 bucks? Pros/Cons of the RZ600?
Exactly my thoughts, plus they seem less "visible" than, say, the Leupold B&C reticle.Model70Man said:The Rapid Z reticles IMO are too busy . . . .
tndrbstr said:DEER ASSASSIN said:buy a good range finder
know ur speed and balistics
dial it in shoot it
to busy indeed
To me that sounds kind of busy, you gotta check and dial in every shot as the range changes significantly?..
...from the looks of the scope in the link, setting it is just a one time deal..you pick zero at 1 or 2 hundred yards, then punch in the total drop with your load at 500. Thats it, one time and your done... After that, its automaticly set from then on @ + or - 1 yard... let the scope do the work...
Wes Parrish said:Exactly my thoughts, plus they seem less "visible" than, say, the Leupold B&C reticle.Model70Man said:The Rapid Z reticles IMO are too busy . . . .
I've previously not been very excited about some of the new electonic rangefinding scopes hitting the market, but this 2010 version (link below) from Burris has got my interest.
http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html
Anyone care to share their thoughts on this particular laserscope vs. any of the range-aiming reticles?
I think some of the confusion is that many posters are talking about BDC scopes vs. turrets, and haven't even seen the video on this new Burris scope (to be officially debuted at the 2010 Shot Show --- I think Bowriter is going to let me borrow his badge so I can go mill around and check out all the new stuff! ) .tndrbstr said:I had never seen the scopes before wes posted the link .... But from the short video it appears that there are no seperate hash marks to contend with. . . . . . It looks to be just a standard post duplex reticle that has a luminated dot that moves down the lower post to automaticly zero the scope to the appropriate range. With todays technology I could imagine that it could(?) even self compensate for varying degrees of magnification . . . . .
Wes Parrish said:I think some of the confusion is that many posters are talking about BDC scopes vs. turrets, and haven't even seen the video on this new Burris scope (to be officially debuted at the 2010 Shot Show --- I think Bowriter is going to let me borrow his badge so I can go mill around and check out all the new stuff! ) .tndrbstr said:I had never seen the scopes before wes posted the link .... But from the short video it appears that there are no seperate hash marks to contend with. . . . . . It looks to be just a standard post duplex reticle that has a luminated dot that moves down the lower post to automaticly zero the scope to the appropriate range. With todays technology I could imagine that it could(?) even self compensate for varying degrees of magnification . . . . .
I may be mistaken, but I believe this new Burris scope is "dead on" no matter what magnification you have the scope set. I think many hunters will find this a more simple "less busy" scope than either BDC or turrets. There are only 2 aiming points, the center crosshair, and the single electronic dot (which moves up and down as you aim at different ranges).
Here's the link again:
http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html
Key difference is this scope is neither a BDC nor a turret scope --- totally new concept.
The New Burris ELIMINATOR LASERSCOPE
In a Split Second, The Eliminator
Ranges your target
Calculates your trajectory
Illuminates your perfect holdover
Meg, undoubtedly, this is not the scope for you, and maybe not me either ---- but it sure has caught my eye as an interesting new concept.megalomaniac said:. . . . . . you're looking at an 800 yard rangefinder. 550 on deer. Worthless for my applications. And if you're shooting at 1000 yards, there probably won't be any way the illuminated dot will drop far enough down on the reticle to account for the aiming point at that distance.
I'm not sure about the glass quality (yet) on this particular Burris, but I'd speculate it's better glass than what most deer hunters currently have on their rifles. But I agree the price seems a bit high, although in line with many cutting-edge new products. (I'd hate to see the price of this if Leupold had come up with the new technology!) On the other hand, Burris scopes in general are known to have decent glass relative to their prices. I find my less costly Burris Signature Select to be very comparable to my Leupold VX-III. Personally, my field limitations for a high-probability shot are usually under 300 yards, no matter what my scope. Actually, due to the places I set up, they're usually under 50 yards, as I can't see a deer period beyond that.megalomaniac said:. . . . . . it would be an ok scope for those limiting shots to 400-500 yards, but at a ridiculous price for mediocre glass.
megalomaniac said:Wes,
I agree burris has good glass for the money. I'm very pleased with my burris fullfield II scope on my muzzleloader that I paid $130 for. But when you get into the $1000 range, I'm expecting some serious high end glass, and burris hasn't had glass at that level yet.
Another thing to consider... if you are planning on shooting 300 yards and in, there's no need for any rangefinding or BDC reticle or even turrets (unless you're shooting something travelling 2000 fps or under). Just sight in for 200 yards and hold top 1/3 of the animal at 300 yards and you're good to go. So this scope is really only useful from say 350 or so out to 550.
But you're right, products like these can lead to some seriously unethical shots and wounded/lost game for the average hunter. It takes a fair amount of practice at the range to realize just how much bullet drop and wind drift affect your bullet's flight. And it takes a bigger man NOT to pull the trigger when conditions aren't perfect.
Distance is all relative depending on the weapon or cartridge... 35 yards is my max with a bow (on a whitetail). 150 is pushing it for my muzzleloader. 300 is my max with most of my rifles. Anything under 700 yards with my long range rig is toast.
megalomaniac said:Wes,
I agree burris has good glass for the money. I'm very pleased with my burris fullfield II scope on my muzzleloader that I paid $130 for. But when you get into the $1000 range, I'm expecting some serious high end glass, and burris hasn't had glass at that level yet.
Another thing to consider... if you are planning on shooting 300 yards and in, there's no need for any rangefinding or BDC reticle or even turrets (unless you're shooting something travelling 2000 fps or under). Just sight in for 200 yards and hold top 1/3 of the animal at 300 yards and you're good to go. So this scope is really only useful from say 350 or so out to 550.
But you're right, products like these can lead to some seriously unethical shots and wounded/lost game for the average hunter. It takes a fair amount of practice at the range to realize just how much bullet drop and wind drift affect your bullet's flight. And it takes a bigger man NOT to pull the trigger when conditions aren't perfect.
Distance is all relative depending on the weapon or cartridge... 35 yards is my max with a bow (on a whitetail). 150 is pushing it for my muzzleloader. 300 is my max with most of my rifles. Anything under 700 yards with my long range rig is toast.
megalomaniac said:Second, you're supposed to imput your drop at 500 yards... just fine if you've actually shot your rifle at that distance and KNOW the actual drop, but likely many will just input their calculated drop without actually shooting it.