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Just asking because I basically never do. I don't use scentlock clothing and I have become a fan of nose jammer the last couple seasons. I have seen many deer spook when they crossed where I walked in over all my years of hunting, but since using nose jammer, I have not seen one deer spook when crossing where I walked in and many times they trail me to my tree.

I may move depending on sign if a stand is hung in the right place or I can use a climber if I think I can use the wind to my advantage, but it is amazing to me how deer, especially a nice buck, shows up where "he is not supposed to be". I know there are rare instances where a hunter knows what direction and time of day a deer will come through, but I for the most part I cannot understand when someone says "I can't hunt that stand, spot, field, etc." because of the wind. I cannot begin to even count the places I hunt, some for over 30 years, that yes, deer generally come from a particular direction, but if I ALWAYS played the wind, I would not have killed many deer that I have and for sure would have missed on many bucks. Deer, for the most part, are unpredicatable. Another crazy thing to me is if I paid attention to the tv shows and many who tell me you cannot hunt this or that spot due to whatever wind they deem detrimental to killing a deer, I would almost never hunt.

I had a farm to hunt that was all fields in the front. I was told many times, don't hunt there in the mornings, you will run everything out, one guy I carried to look the place over to get another opinion on where to hang a stand (killed many more bucks and nicer bucks than me) even said if it was his to hunt and he could have complete say no one would be allowed to do anything in the morning there, to keep from running all the deer, especially the bucks, away. Not only, did we hunt in the morning (evenings also) we saw and killed the most deer and the best bucks in the mornings.

Also, no matter how many deer I see use the same place, when a mature buck shows up, they generally come from where deer "never" come from or they "never" use that area. I have been told hundreds of times in my life, "don't hunt there, the wind is wrong". I did anyways and not only killed a deer, but many times killed a great buck.
 
Certain areas it can swirl. But mainly I try to hunt the wind. While I've had deer come downwind of me, I have yet to have a mature deer come in from downwind.
 
I do and have for years, if it's not right for the stand I want to hunt I go to another
or don't hunt, especially with bow. Keep windows closed in shooting houses too, until ready to shoot or
may open down stream side

It's one of the things that has boosted my mature deer kills, but I also hunt my own place 99%
 
I always try to use the wind to my benefit but sometimes to hunt a particular stand it may not be possible. Years ago I started paying attention to wind and thermals and how they react with the immediate terrain features and how they can blow different directions at ground level than they do at "X number of feet" height as well as whether they may be blowing away from me sinking towards the ground or possibly rising over the spot I expect to see deer. I generally never have deer wind me within sight when I stay focused on the above. That's not to say that they don't ever wind me before seeing them and then avoid my stand site but there's no way to ever know that.

Aside from staying as clean as possible and playing the wind I have yet to find any type of cover scent that for sure kills the human scent. I always carry and use scent eliminators but even they aren't bulletproof and probably only serve to weaken the human odor thus "fooling" a deer into thinking the hunter is much farther away than he actually is. I wouldn't be surprised hearing someone is having luck without being detected hunting from the edges with the wind blowing into the field that there's either some type of crosswind or updraft redirecting his scent or that those shots taken at deer or long range shots much farther downfield and downwind.
 
Re: who hunts the "wind"?

I pay attention to it and usually abide by it but it is not my final deciding factor.
I have heard of that nose jammer product before, the person swore by it (they are not a gimmicky person either) I need to google it some time to see what it is.


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Snake":1y3cz6u9 said:
My stand locations are selected due to the wind direction .
This. If you look on my scout look hunting app it looks like I have stands everywhere. It's because I try and play the wind .
 
I usually choose my stand based on wind. Last year opening morning on PP I had a wind that was not blowing the direction any weather app was saying it was blowing. I think it had to do with the terrain features. I forgot to factor them in. It would swirl and blow up into the woods and every time it did (3x) deer would blow. They definitely can smell you at a distance and wind carries your scent. The next day same spot different wind deer come out of the woods, because the wind is cooperating and I shoot one.
 
I always hunt the wind.I have at times ignored it.I usually dont see any deer when i dont watch the wind.Even at the same exact spot but next time playing the wind and see deer.But i also shoot most deer within a 100 yards preferably.
 
If I know there is a big buck in my area I stay out and hunt other areas in hard winds.It seems that I kill a Mature buck or two every year on days after a real windy day in the areas that I avoided
 
For me, the majority of the better bucks I have killed have been on the roughest days, lots of wind is a good thing, rain is even better, bad weather days are the best in my opinion. I hunt every single chance I get, but I prefer a weather change of some kind.
 
It's the #1 factor I use when choosing stand locations. I believe 100% that it is mainly responsible for my success in killing good (for me) bucks in the past 3 years.
 
I try to as much as possible. Usually don't have a lot of issues getting "winded" as far as I know. See deer most hunts, too. Now, I'm sure I would see more mature deer if I hunted the wind better. Of course, I need to find areas that hold those deer before I can really hunt therm.
 
richmanbarbeque":2dehb44t said:
I hunt the wind but I like shooting deer at 15 yards not 150.

Good way to put it. Generally, I hunt the wind but have sold my soul a few times when I know where the deer are moving.
 
Re: who hunts the "wind"?

You gotta learn when to hunt where. If you always strictly hunt the primary wind you many times lose chances to hunt your best stands on the best days. Learn to use thermals and terrain features to allow you to cheat the wind. I use some scent control measures but not much. I don't believe in products like nose jammer. You can get younger deer to follow many trails out of curiosity. I also believe many deer utilize the wind to there travel. If you hunt based on primary wind, I think you will miss many deer because you are playing into there hand.


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Pic IN the Casa":2fxheint said:
richmanbarbeque":2fxheint said:
I hunt the wind but I like shooting deer at 15 yards not 150.

Good way to put it. Generally, I hunt the wind but have sold my soul a few times when I know where the deer are moving.

I have killed well over 150 with a bow, many inside 15 yards and under, many the distance could be measured in feet and from the ground, and I basically have never hunted the wind in all of my hunting. Have I been busted a bunch of times, no doubt about it. Has there been many that busted me I never knew were around, for sure. I will guarantee the same thing has happened to those who hunt the wind though. Deer, especially mature bucks, use places that many will tell you "a deer will never be there, they don't use that spot, no cover there, no food there, no does there, we don't see bucks there, etc.", I learned a long time ago, not always, but many times those are the best places to hunt. But I still believe there is no way to predict 100 percent (even 50 percent of the time) where a deer, especially a mature buck, will come from or appear at. I am not saying if I can use the wind to my advantage, I won't, of course I do. Do I let it stop me from hunting because it is "wrong", almost never. I cannot count the number of times, I have been told "don't hunt there, the wind is wrong, we don't hunt there with (whatever is deemed to be a bad) the particular direction wind", only to go hunt it and kill a deer and many, many times a nice buck, and even with a bow.
 
Certain places and situations where the deer enter a field from one direction or the wind is actually predictable, I hunt the wind. Other times I try to hunt what seems like OK wind and sometimes I just don't care. The wind changes direction too much most of the time. And being 20 feet up will disperse it and it won't hit the deer that are within bow range... usually
 
Well I will give my two cents on this and see what it sparks up. I have been hunting for the better part of 35 years, but I would say I have been a devoted student of hunting for the better part of 20 years and what I mean by that is, I have studied, watched, experienced, surveyed, and researched pretty much any and all methods for, theories on, and all things in between the art of whitetail hunting. I have been guiding hunts for about ten years now in several different states. Those states are Tennessee, Kentucky, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Florida. I am sure with all of those states you are saying to yourself, well if you have guided in all of those places you must not be a very good guide. Well when you are guiding you follow where the seasons are, now I only guide for one outfitter who has a lodge in Missouri, Illinois, and Iowa. So here is what I have seen with my own two eyes and what I have experienced as a hunter and as well as a guide.

One thing I have learned is hunting the wind in the timber, big timber that is, can be a crap shoot, especially when the acorns are in abundance. Deer will come from all directions and are very hard to pattern at this time. So you use cameras and do your best to make a rough guess on how they are using the area you are hunting and you hunt the wind that best suits what you figure out. But, what always happens in the timber, they come from the other direction, but you have no choice you have to give up a direction in the timber. Now here is where I have seen things differ and they differ depending on pressure and location. If you are hunting a farm where the pressure is very light on the deer and no one really bothers them during the off season, that doesn't mean farmers doing their thing or just land management task. By Pressure I mean actually penetrating the territory where the deer live and pushing them out of there area or off of their food source. This educates them to certain smells, movements and to certain sounds. Here is an example I will give you, have you ever been driving by a field with deer in it and they just stand there and look as long as you are moving, but as soon as you stop they are gone! Those are educated deer, I think we can agree on that. Have you ever been somewhere that they do not move either way whether you stop or you keep going. So I think wind in the timber is a gamble and you have to know your location and whether the pressure is light or not so light. In my opinion since we are giving opinions and this one is supported by hours and hours on stand and moving to stands. If you are hunting in big timber, your approach had better be your number ONE concern. You won't have to worry about the wind if it sounds like the Mongolian Hoard is coming in to hunt for the day.

Now for hunting food plots and agriculture and how I have seen wind affect methods of hunting them. I will say I have had deer come into fields and food plots directly down wind of me and I have killed them in these scenarios but not often and only a hand full of times with a bow. The bow kills were young deer and does at that. I have experienced a couple of clients taking deer that came in on the down wind side of them as well some have even been very large bucks. Having said that most of them were at 40 yards or more. I had one client that killed a 156" eight point in Missouri on the down wind side of him, but, the buck came in at an angle and by the time it got into his shooting lane it was at 15 yards and it had just moved into his scent cone. He said the deer stopped and began to get very spooky and as the buck turned to leave in the direction it came in, he slipped an arrow in him on a full quartering away shot. These deer were extremely low pressure deer, this particular buck had only been seen a couple times from very long distances away with binos. This hunt took place on the edge of a cut bean field in a draw that was all CRP with some sparse oaks scattered about. I had set the client in the draw because the wind was blowing toward the field, the smallest edge of the field. I had hopes that the deer would come out of the deep draw and thick cover and he would get his shot before they could get into his scent cone, it worked, barely but it did work. Now do I think this deer would have shown himself if the wind were pushing my clients scent into that draw and cover, no I do not, not even for one second do I think that. The next day I took that same client to a different farm to kill a doe. I set him in a stand that I had watched six does and some yearlings come by four consecutive days in a row. When I say come by I mean that they were in range of the stand when they came into the food plot. I was watching the deer come out of the woodbine and into the food plot from a tractor road so I did not know where they were coming through the woods. I just knew where they came out woods and that he could easily get a shot from this stand. So on the day I sat him in this stand the wind wasn't perfect which a perfect wind would have been blowing into the food plot because in this particular slough of the field the deer were only coming into the plot from two spots and they were in range before they could ever get into your scent cone. Instead of perfect the wind was at a slight angle which pushed my clients scent slightly into the woods across the most narrow point and into a neighboring property field. Keep in mind this is early November in Northern Missouri so the leaves are all on the ground and you can see very well through the woods. As my client sets in his stand he is surprised by several deer blowing at him and blowing at him constantly. He was able to see them with his binos in the neighbors field, six does and some yearlings raising cane and blowing their heads off at him. So the deer were coming out of thicket on the neighbors place across his field down the creek bead in the narrow strip of woods and up the trail that lead past the stand. When he told me what happened I said wow I would have thought they were coming out of our thicket and up the hill. He said me too, but thats not the case. We both laughed about it over dinner and said we will get'em tomorrow. He was the first person to hunt that stand all year! So low pressure but very close to civilization so very weary deer not necessarily spooky but weary enough to not chance whatever that new smell was in their area.

Now lets talk about my favorite type of hunting area, Funnels or corridors. Places where the animals are channelized or forced to use because of access, and cover. These can be in timber or CRP or even crops can create a funnel. I will tell you there is a time if you find a hot funnel that the wind will have little effect on your deer sightings in that particular funnel. That time is peak/heavy rut time. This can even hold true on fields, plots and the timber as well. These funnels are going to be your best spots during the rut as well, deer have no choice but to come through the area so if a hot does is being chased she will blow through your scent cone because she is being chased by a rut enraged buck and he can't smell anything but her. Having said all of that if he is not chasing but only trailing or seeking and you play on a bad wind your chances of a fully mature buck not spooking out if he smells something different are slim to none. So I suggest that you at least play the best wind you can, but if you know the rut is on hot and heavy you can chance it on a wrong wind, just make sure that approach is good to go.

So lets sum this up as I am sure you all are tired of reading, if you even bothered to read this far. Do I think playing the wind to your favor is 100% necessary 100% of the time NO I do not. Do I think and do I know that playing the wind to your favor will in fact give you a better chance to get MATURE bucks in front of your stand, YES I do! Do I think that sprays and suits and rubber boots and all the other bells and whistles make you scent free? Scent free, well I wouldn't say that, but what I would say is this. If it gives you even a slight edge or if it helps even 1% thats more than zero, right? Do I use these products, yes I do and most hunters now days do. So my advice on the wind would be this. If you are in a light pressure place and you know that buck is there you might take a chance, but don't do it more than a couple times or you will educate him, especially if he ever bust you. If its a high pressure place or close to civilization I think you might be asking for issues if you do not hunt the wind, can you get the old "blind hog finds and acorn" buck on occasion, yes you can but its a slim chance with a bad wind. Now some guys don't have time to play the wind and all of the other factors. Whether its due to only a short amount of hunting time or just a small window to kill a buck thats on your ground. To you hunters I say hunt, and hunt every chance you get, who knows maybe the odds will fall in your favor. I only say this because you may only have a couple days or a couple weekends that you can hunt, therefore not hunting due to wind just isn't an option, heck you may never even get to hunt if you wait on that perfect wind. Here is what I would want anyone who reads this take away from it as to be my opinion of the wind.

You should hunt the wind to your advantage as often as you can. It might not be a 100% perfect wind but the closer to perfect you get the better your chances are. I have seen, and experienced that to be true. If your time permits don't take the chance, just to take that chance, hunt another spot where the wind at least better. Make sure your approach to your stand is as close to perfect as possible and pay attention to the wind on your approach as much, if not more, than while you are in the stand. Remember, its not ole John Smith that the deer smells, its just something different, something out of his norm. Deer, especially mature bucks like "the norm" because its safe. I hope I have given a little different perspective on the wind issue, if I missed something or you have a question or you disagree lets discuss it on here, heck I need all the help I can get and I am by no means finished learning about hunting whitetails.

I also have an article on how to chose an outfitter and by no means does it suggest anyone that I currently work for or have ever worked for. It is completely non bias and will give you the right questions to ask and what to look for on the internet.
 
I love finding a well overgrown fence line connecting destination areas. If you're able and allowed one of the best moves you can make is to cut a hole through it from side to side. This also holds true for super thick edges surrounding fields. Cut a hole through it into the interior timber and you won't have as hard a time trying to determine where they're entering and exiting. I also love finding a fenced area in the timber. You'll often find fallen trees over the fence making for great crossover areas. If the fence is old and not used but still standing you can make your own spots and although the deer can easily jump them, especially when pushed, they often opt for the easy route without expending that energy; especially true with calm, unpressured deer.
 
I always hunt with the wind at least in my favor as much as possible........I have some stands based on terrain that aren't as critical. I never absolutely ever hunt with the wind blowing toward the area I am watching. You can fool a deers eyes............you cannot fool its nose. If it smells human scent, especially a mature buck, you are done. I know a lot of guys who say that they never pay attention to the wind and kill deer with regularity. I have no confidence in that at all. To each his own is what I say................if it works for you, keep doing it!! :super:
 
Good read stikem in the vitals. Read every word.

I hunt the wind but not in the traditional sense. Do I walk into the wind, climb a tree, face into the wind and hunt upwind? Typically not! I try to determine the best approach for the deer for that particular wind and then hunt accordingly. Sometimes that means hunting upwind of the deer. That's when I use the terain to my advantage. Mature deer will use the wind to their advantage most of the time. So the wind must be a little wrong for them and a little wrong for you.
 
Much of "hunting the wind" also depends on what you're hunting. The biggest percentage of my hunts where I'm at are after bucks scoring our 125" minimum and larger. That usually involves deer 3.5 years old or older and somewhat more wary. From what I've seen thus far most bucks that fit that bill don't travel directly into the wind. Most appear to travel with a quartering wind and likely over their backs. I really think in much of their travel areas their nose becomes secondary to their eyes albeit a close second. Of course it depends on where you sit up along that deer's path in relation to the wind. As fairchaser mentioned part wrong/right for you and part wrong/right for the deer. There is simply no way a deer can continually travel into the wind. When he's moving he likely has a destination and I doubt seriously that every time the wind shifts he stops and waits for it to shift back or completely changes his mind and heads a different direction. The trick is in finding those set up points along the likely travel paths that disadvantage his nose and his eyes. Many times, especially when hunting the interior around fields the inside/outside corners provide for such a set up. Otherwise, when hunting timber or cover play the terrain. Not always but many times there are obstacles preventing a straight line direction for travel. Look for the areas that would temporarily redirect their routes. As well, with certain wind directions the terrain bends or redirects that wind flow in the immediate area by as much as 180 degrees. In both scenarios these particular areas serve as pinch points ideal for stand locations disadvantaging the deer. Going back to the wrong/right setups the thing to remember is when it's wrong for you it's right for the deer and visa versa. In and during these types of setups usually at some point that wrong/right is going to flip from one to the other. If you're wrong first you likely may never know the deer was there. You want to be wrong last and in doing so you want to have the possibility of a shot BEFORE that flip occurs. When setting up like this keep in mind two things. Whatever comes along is likely to wind you at some point and react and that you need to be ready to react fast before the deer reaches that point. Keep this "X" spot open for a shot.

Or you could just cross your fingers, go climb a tree, and enjoy your day in the woods.
 
I do hunt the wind as much as possible but I always remember what a bud told me. Hunting the wind only works if you know their bedding areas and travel patterns. Sometimes when hunting new places that you haven't scouted you just have to go hunt. No telling how many times I've set up blind and had deer come from behind me. Seems to me most highly pressured deer travel into the wind or with a crosswind..
 
Mike Belt":rlujhom4 said:
Much of "hunting the wind" also depends on what you're hunting. The biggest percentage of my hunts where I'm at are after bucks scoring our 125" minimum and larger. That usually involves deer 3.5 years old or older and somewhat more wary. From what I've seen thus far most bucks that fit that bill don't travel directly into the wind. Most appear to travel with a quartering wind and likely over their backs. I really think in much of their travel areas their nose becomes secondary to their eyes albeit a close second. Of course it depends on where you sit up along that deer's path in relation to the wind. As fairchaser mentioned part wrong/right for you and part wrong/right for the deer. There is simply no way a deer can continually travel into the wind. When he's moving he likely has a destination and I doubt seriously that every time the wind shifts he stops and waits for it to shift back or completely changes his mind and heads a different direction. The trick is in finding those set up points along the likely travel paths that disadvantage his nose and his eyes. Many times, especially when hunting the interior around fields the inside/outside corners provide for such a set up. Otherwise, when hunting timber or cover play the terrain. Not always but many times there are obstacles preventing a straight line direction for travel. Look for the areas that would temporarily redirect their routes. As well, with certain wind directions the terrain bends or redirects that wind flow in the immediate area by as much as 180 degrees. In both scenarios these particular areas serve as pinch points ideal for stand locations disadvantaging the deer. Going back to the wrong/right setups the thing to remember is when it's wrong for you it's right for the deer and visa versa. In and during these types of setups usually at some point that wrong/right is going to flip from one to the other. If you're wrong first you likely may never know the deer was there. You want to be wrong last and in doing so you want to have the possibility of a shot BEFORE that flip occurs. When setting up like this keep in mind two things. Whatever comes along is likely to wind you at some point and react and that you need to be ready to react fast before the deer reaches that point. Keep this "X" spot open for a shot.

Or you could just cross your fingers, go climb a tree, and enjoy your day in the woods.

Very good post!!!
 
I have heard it said and mentioned above, "either learn, know, or with divine intervention above (IMO) where a deer beds, where they always travel, where they will use, where an obstacle forces their travel, etc." Well, to me, that is just it, no matter how many deer you see use an area, or how many times, or a deer will never come from there because it is blocked by something, they can't climb that, that can't cross that, etc. that is when a deer, especially a mature buck, will show up in of those never deer areas or more commonly an area they "never" use for whatever reason. I can't count how many times I have been told "the deer bed here, they feed here, they only enter this field here, etc." only to see sign I knew I wanted to hunt and hunt with the "wrong" wind and was told "you won't see anything the wind is wrong" only I would hunt it and kill a deer and, as I said, many times a nice buck. I still believe to many think they know better than the deer where they use or are going to.
 

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