Tuning help

[Ladys man]

Ok guys so trying to tune in a Halon 6.
28.5 draw 65ish
Shooting sirus Vulcan 28 in long 100 gr insert with 125gr tips.
It groups great with fletched arrows but bare shaft is my problem and I can see it coming off wonky even with fletched.
QAD rest, I've made small and big adjustments trying to correct.
I've tried different releases.
I cranked it down thinking possibly it was a spine but that didn't work.

Weighted down the target so it doesn't move either.

 

[Remington700]

Initial thought would be something is off rest wise/arrow alignment. Got and pics of the set up or a video of it being shot?

 

[Ladys man]

Not at the moment I may be able to tomorrow.
I've checked centerline over and over sliding the rest left and right. Made a mark for a starting point.

 

[tree_ghost]

You need to paper tune

 

[Ladys man]

You need to paper tune

Please correct me but is bare shaft and paper tuning not similar?

I figured getting bare shaft really close to my fletcher is very similar?

How are they different?

 

[tree_ghost]

If your bow is so far out that not even fletches have your arrow flying straight off the shelf then you need to correct something before you bareshaft…you more than likely have a lot of advancement in the top or bottom cam. Are you trying to tune it with or without a press?

 

[tree_ghost]

Please correct me but is bare shaft and paper tuning not similar?

I figured getting bare shaft really close to my fletcher is very similar?

How are they different?

They are similar if your cams and center shot are starting from a close to correct position.

 

[Ladys man]

Fletchings are perfectly parallel with me( shown in the image above) but everything bareshaft is nock right.

Timing holes on the camera are exactly the same.

This is all without a press, only thing I have done is adjust the rest for windage, both east and west for no change.

 

[Doecrusher]

I'd shoot it thru paper like said since you said your fletched arrows come off wonky to and see what kind of tear it gets. And if it's not a grip issue your probably gonna need to swap the top hats around.

 

[Specializedjon]

Stupid reply alert:
Why are you worried about your bare tune? Looks like you're pretty close with your fletched shots. I'd make slight sight adjustments and walk it in. Just my $.02 I'm not archery expert by any means.

Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Ladys man]

Stupid reply alert:
Why are you worried about your bare tune? Looks like you're pretty close with your fletched shots. I'd make slight sight adjustments and walk it in. Just my $.02 I'm not archery expert by any means.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Normally I would but I'm trying to be a lil more meticulous with this one, and not crazy about my arrow flight.

If I had a tight window to shoot through I'm not feeling confident about how they are coming off the bow.

 

[tree_ghost]

I'd shoot it thru paper like said since you said your fletched arrows come off wonky to and see what kind of tear it gets. And if it's not a grip issue your probably gonna need to swap the top hats around.

Yeah I'd agree with the top hats needing to be flipped

 

[Shim71]

With 225 grains up front, i really think spine is your issue. I would remove 100 grain insert and check with bareshaft. If better or fixed and you still want 100 grain insert you may have to increase spine to accommodate extra weight up front.

 

[CrossVolle]

Need more info. What spine arrows are you shooting? Have you messed around with turn nock a quarter turn and see if it helps/hurts? The nock also looks different with the bare shaft, is that accurate? What is the GPI (grains per inch) of that arrow?

Most importantly, always remember you are human. Many things could go into it.

 

[recurve60#]

In recurve world bareshafts and fletched hitting the same is the end game and it doesnt matter if bareshafts dont fly perfect.

 

[Shim71]

I am shooting GT kinetic kaos 300 at 28.5" with a 125 ironwill broadhead. The kinetic kaos has a collar of 10-15 grains with a heavier than normal insert that has some weight to it but sure how many more grains on insert. I would estinate 20 grains on insert. At 65#s it shoots perfect out of my mathews vxr.

 

[@fulldraw]

Don't worry about the angle the bare shaft has. Fletch vs bare is about arrows grouping together. Based off your pic the group looks good. The reason your bare shaft is crooked is most likely a torque issue with your grip. Change grip (angle, pressure) and see how the bare shaft responds.

 

[tree_ghost]

No way your underspined with GT 300's. your still at the starting problem of fletched arrows not flying true off the shelf. You can make your arrows hit wherever you want down range by using 10 different approaches to get there but none of them will correct your arrow flight inside of 10 yards. IMO you gotta paper tune….is it that big a deal to have an arrow that flies that perfectly? No not unless your competing in tournaments but if it's still bothering you then shoot the paper.

 

[Ladys man]

Sorry guys been busy, but there where some mistakes on my part I decided to go back and start over. I reverified my insert and point weights I was wrong on the point weight. Only shooting 100gr I wanted to shoot 125 last yr when I built the arrows but couldn't find the broadheads so I went with 100.
28 inch Sirius Vulcan 10gpi
100 gr insert
100 gr point
Lighted nock
3 blazers ( swapping soon to 2.75 tac shield cuts)
Came out to 549 total weight

Also found my centerline was off not sure how, but rest is now at 13/16 and shooting pretty good.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[Ladys man]

Sorry guys been busy, but there where some mistakes on my part I decided to go back and start over. I reverified my insert and point weights I was wrong on the point weight. Only shooting 100gr I wanted to shoot 125 last yr when I built the arrows but couldn't find the broadheads so I went with 100.
28 inch Sirius Vulcan 10gpi 300 spine
100 gr insert
100 gr point
Lighted nock
3 blazers ( swapping soon to 2.75 tac shield cuts)
Came out to 549 total weight

Also found my centerline was off not sure how, but rest is now at 13/16 and shooting pretty good.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[CrossVolle]

Sorry guys been busy, but there where some mistakes on my part I decided to go back and start over. I reverified my insert and point weights I was wrong on the point weight. Only shooting 100gr I wanted to shoot 125 last yr when I built the arrows but couldn't find the broadheads so I went with 100.
28 inch Sirius Vulcan 10gpi
100 gr insert
100 gr point
Lighted nock
3 blazers ( swapping soon to 2.75 tac shield cuts)
Came out to 549 total weight

Also found my centerline was off not sure how, but rest is now at 13/16 and shooting pretty good.

Thanks for all the help.

You said you were shooting 65 pounds at 28.5 inch draw?

You are over-spined if anything with that arrow cut to 28 inches.

I am shooting a Sirius Apollo 300 spine out of my V3X 33 that is pulling at 73 pounds with a 30.5 inch draw with 30.5 inch arrows. I had shot them out of my old bow with a 100g insert up front with a 125 head. Weighed in at about 540g. Now here is where it gets tricky. I bought my current bow, and shot those arrows with it and they were acting funny. After days of pulling my hair out, i decided to heck with it i think this bow is just generating a little bit more sudden force and now i was under-spined. So, before i gave up and bought a 250 spine of the same arrow (they are not cheap arrows), i decided to knock the inserts out, sawed off 50 grains, and threw the 125g tips on and shot it. BOOM! i mean on the money bullet holes. Arrow flight perfect. Picked up some speed on the side which is never bad. You wanna talk about a battle axe coming at a deer with a 490 grain, 14% FOC arrow with some speed to it. I cannot wait to see how they perform through meat.

With that said, the moral of the story is mess around with different stuff in the off season. You will learn a lot about what your bow likes, and what it does not like. When you hit the right mark you will know it instantly.

I have never really worried about bare shafts outside of literally 5 yards. Too much human error involved any further than that. This is all JMO. As long as you cannot see your arrow getting wonky down range, and you are grouping tight i am not sure i would worry about it.

 

[Ladys man]

You said you were shooting 65 pounds at 28.5 inch draw?

You are over-spined if anything with that arrow cut to 28 inches.

I am shooting a Sirius Apollo 300 spine out of my V3X 33 that is pulling at 73 pounds with a 30.5 inch draw with 30.5 inch arrows. I had shot them out of my old bow with a 100g insert up front with a 125 head. Weighed in at about 540g. Now here is where it gets tricky. I bought my current bow, and shot those arrows with it and they were acting funny. After days of pulling my hair out, i decided to heck with it i think this bow is just generating a little bit more sudden force and now i was under-spined. So, before i gave up and bought a 250 spine of the same arrow (they are not cheap arrows), i decided to knock the inserts out, sawed off 50 grains, and threw the 125g tips on and shot it. BOOM! i mean on the money bullet holes. Arrow flight perfect. Picked up some speed on the side which is never bad. You wanna talk about a battle axe coming at a deer with a 490 grain, 14% FOC arrow with some speed to it. I cannot wait to see how they perform through meat.

With that said, the moral of the story is mess around with different stuff in the off season. You will learn a lot about what your bow likes, and what it does not like. When you hit the right mark you will know it instantly.

I have never really worried about bare shafts outside of literally 5 yards. Too much human error involved any further than that. This is all JMO. As long as you cannot see your arrow getting wonky down range, and you are grouping tight i am not sure i would worry about it.

According to Sirius website I'm spined correctly, but again it's just internet info.
That's how I found out I was wrong from my original post. I knocked out my inserts weighing everything again. My plan was to take some weight of the inserts. But once I seen centerline was off (fixed that) I started shooting again before cutting. Arrow flight improved a lot.
Still have some tinkering to do tho. Also haven't checked broadhead flight yet.

 

[Jbird22]

Check field tip and broadhead poa/poi at your intended hunting distances. If field tips and broadheads group together, your bow is tuned and NOTHING else matters!

 

[CrossVolle]

According to Sirius website I'm spined correctly, but again it's just internet info.
That's how I found out I was wrong from my original post. I knocked out my inserts weighing everything again. My plan was to take some weight of the inserts. But once I seen centerline was off (fixed that) I started shooting again before cutting. Arrow flight improved a lot.
Still have some tinkering to do tho. Also haven't checked broadhead flight yet.

There's no doubt that if your centerline was off the rest really does not matter. Shoot on baby.