Fordman
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What are the most important qualities you look for when hiring a guide? If you could only ask three questions of a potential guide what would they be?
Those who hire fishing guides
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bcunnin1
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What kind of guide? Fly fishing or like an Ocean trip?
Fordman
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Lets say fly fishing and lite tackle... freshwater
Cuttin Caller
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Well fly fishing I wouldn't know the first thing about.
So My first question would be can you take someone who has never been never even picked up a fly rod?
Then I would ask, can we do this on one trip I mean will I get the hang of it enough to try to catch a fish.
Then I would ask how long will we be on the water and what do I need to bring?
So My first question would be can you take someone who has never been never even picked up a fly rod?
Then I would ask, can we do this on one trip I mean will I get the hang of it enough to try to catch a fish.
Then I would ask how long will we be on the water and what do I need to bring?
Depends. if I was to chunk out $300 bucks for a day of fishing it better not include the guide fishing. I saw a show the other day and the "guide" had caught and kept 10 fish BEFORE the client had caught one fish.
Also leave the watch at home. For instance, don't tell me it's a 4 hour guide and then take 45 min to get there by boat, fish 2 1/2 hours, and then 45 min back.
Also leave the watch at home. For instance, don't tell me it's a 4 hour guide and then take 45 min to get there by boat, fish 2 1/2 hours, and then 45 min back.
Fordman
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I was wondering if anyone felt that way about the guide fishing. The shop I guide out of does not tolerate their guides fishing. I try hard to not have a rod in my hand at all. Client gets the frint of the boat always that way.7mm08 said:
bcunnin1
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If its fly fishing your after which is what I do, I usually ask do you only guide fly fishermen? Which is only because it can be a complicated sport and I like my guys to know what they are doing. I always want them to know a lot more than me, I like to fish with a guide and walk away with a new trick or technique. Plus if I want to fly fish why wouldn't I want a guy who has been taking other fly flingers ahead of me.
I also like a guide who can give you several options. I like to call a guy and say what I am looking for what can you offer. Its good to hear a guide say we can catch more numbers on this river, but the bigger fish will be in this river. Things like that. Along with everything tribeless said.
I also like a guide who can give you several options. I like to call a guy and say what I am looking for what can you offer. Its good to hear a guide say we can catch more numbers on this river, but the bigger fish will be in this river. Things like that. Along with everything tribeless said.
gil1
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I like a guide that will teach me a lot. I don't want to know his honeyholes. I know it's counterproductive for the guide to make me not need him anymore, but I usually get a guide the first day or fist trip so I won't need one the second day. Teach me how to be self sufficient. You can laugh, make fun, and tease, but if you start yelling at me, the pressure will just make me worse. Yes, be firm and not patronizing. If you try to take the fly out of my fish, you're going overboard.
I do like a boat and guide that are pretty squared away, and I also don't like surprises. You want me to pay you for the flies I lost, then bite me. Lunch isn't included, then you should have told me. I expect a boat to be stocked with everything we'll need and to be clean.
Some folks want a totally different experience, so guides have to be mindreaders or they should ask you what your needs are. If the client is too stupid to tell you he just wants to catch trophies and doesn't care about numbers, then it's his fault.
Do you practice catch and release?
How long have you been doing this?
Will you teach me as we go?
Will you be fishing too?
I do like a boat and guide that are pretty squared away, and I also don't like surprises. You want me to pay you for the flies I lost, then bite me. Lunch isn't included, then you should have told me. I expect a boat to be stocked with everything we'll need and to be clean.
Some folks want a totally different experience, so guides have to be mindreaders or they should ask you what your needs are. If the client is too stupid to tell you he just wants to catch trophies and doesn't care about numbers, then it's his fault.
Do you practice catch and release?
How long have you been doing this?
Will you teach me as we go?
Will you be fishing too?
Fordman
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gil1 said:
I would only take you if you signed an aggreement that stated you would not, no matter how big, try to catch a carp let alone put the slimy bastage in my boat!!!
trealtree
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Are there any carp fishing guides around?
Fordman
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trealtree said:
Yes there are... call fly south and they will book you a trip to fish for carp no problem. 615-251-6199
trealtree
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I wouldnt use a guide around here. I was just curious. Im sure they get some business from Europeans.
gil1
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fordman said:
Who carp guides besides Mauries?
fordman said:
When I'm going just for fun (not tournament), I won't even touch the nasty-azz things. They don't even make it into the boat.
Fordman
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gil1 said:
If I am correct both Mauries and Monroe will take carp clients. I cant say to much about carp fishing as I was tying skip jack flies and thinking about cold days at the steam plant earlier today!
Crosshairy
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Assuming I had been referred to a group of guides by some friends, and I was simply picking between them for the best selection...
I'd ask:
1) how many years have you been guiding on this lake/river
2) Do you have a website I could go to for general information, pictures of successful trips, and personal testamonies?
3) What can I expect to catch and experience, on average, during a trip using your service?
If they can give you a good, confident answer to #3 on the list, then you know that you're dealing with someone who guides enough to know that type of information off the top of his head. That says a lot.
I'd ask:
1) how many years have you been guiding on this lake/river
2) Do you have a website I could go to for general information, pictures of successful trips, and personal testamonies?
3) What can I expect to catch and experience, on average, during a trip using your service?
If they can give you a good, confident answer to #3 on the list, then you know that you're dealing with someone who guides enough to know that type of information off the top of his head. That says a lot.
stillinscrubs
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Do you fish your brook trout baits with flourocarbon or regular leader material? Lip hooked or collar hooked?
Only time I have used a guide in fresh water was to help my wife get pointers from someone other than her husband in fly fishing. Ability to teach novices especially women is a real plus. There is more to being a good teacher than knowing how to fish. I think the sentiments above about teaching more than slaying are well stated.
Scrubs
Only time I have used a guide in fresh water was to help my wife get pointers from someone other than her husband in fly fishing. Ability to teach novices especially women is a real plus. There is more to being a good teacher than knowing how to fish. I think the sentiments above about teaching more than slaying are well stated.
Scrubs
KENBOB10
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#1. References
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Phone numbers or e-mails.
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Phone numbers or e-mails.
Obviously I'm interested in this thread... I am curious on the "guide fishing" issue. I often do fish. However, it is rare that I actually reel a fish in... and virtually never if there is a youngster aboard. I always figure more baits in the water, more chances for more hook-ups. When I hook a fish however, unless I know it's a very small fish, I always hand the rod off to a youngster, or an adult in some cases. Many adults fall into the "I'll hook my own fish, thank you" category... which I understand. But I am surprised at the number of adults who will accept the offer... and I'm glad when they do. They're paying for it... and I'm simply fishing to try and increase their opportunities to put fish in the boat.
How do folks feel about that?
FYI, I do work from the front of the boat because boat control and positioning is critical in many of my fishing situations. For what it's worth however, as often as not, I'm actually working the boat backwards, drifting downstream with current which actually give the angler in the stern first shot at fish.
How do folks feel about that?
FYI, I do work from the front of the boat because boat control and positioning is critical in many of my fishing situations. For what it's worth however, as often as not, I'm actually working the boat backwards, drifting downstream with current which actually give the angler in the stern first shot at fish.
Kirk
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I have chartered fishing trips in the Gulf, the ocean and fresh water. I look for a couple of things before I book with them.
Their equipment should in good condition and their boat should be clean and well maintained. This well tell you how much pride they take in their operation.
Big promises are wonderful if they can deliver. I would much rather them be honest with me and say up front, "the runs over for the year", or "we are sort of struggling right now". To me there is nothing worse than getting pumped up over a bunch of "big fish" promises and not even catch a fish. Happened a few times down in Florida. (not Chattanooga).
A guide needs to be patient and willing to coach the less experienced. I don't care if a guide fishes as long as they have proven they are more interested in me and my party catching fish.
Their equipment should in good condition and their boat should be clean and well maintained. This well tell you how much pride they take in their operation.
Big promises are wonderful if they can deliver. I would much rather them be honest with me and say up front, "the runs over for the year", or "we are sort of struggling right now". To me there is nothing worse than getting pumped up over a bunch of "big fish" promises and not even catch a fish. Happened a few times down in Florida. (not Chattanooga).
A guide needs to be patient and willing to coach the less experienced. I don't care if a guide fishes as long as they have proven they are more interested in me and my party catching fish.
gil1
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I've never actually had a guide fish with me, and I've asked several to join in the fun. If I'm paying for it, though, I think I should have the first casting shot (normally, the front of the boat).
Especially in fly fishing, I think it would help me learn something by watching a guide fish. Different types of casts in different situations, watching their casting form, their mending technique, etc. can be invaluable especially for beginners.
Especially in fly fishing, I think it would help me learn something by watching a guide fish. Different types of casts in different situations, watching their casting form, their mending technique, etc. can be invaluable especially for beginners.
Fordman
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Its a funy thing, I have had clients insist I fish and others whom would have given birth had I picked up a rod. However I would and am considering booking a michigan guide who is also a great spey caster and yes i will insist he fishes so I can see what a good spey cast looks like.
I am fortunate and my trollong motor is remote controlled so I can run it from anywhere and given I guide fly fisherman I always give them the larger(front) casting deck.
I am fortunate and my trollong motor is remote controlled so I can run it from anywhere and given I guide fly fisherman I always give them the larger(front) casting deck.
what it boils down to is somebody has more money than time or expertease,you want somebody that knows the area,the habits of what your after,or their method for catching fish or scouting/hunting,its a fair trade,we learm more quicker by monkey see monkey do.a few folks dont want to learn just put me on the fish or get 1 in my line of fire,its all good as long as its legal.been on 1 guided boat for rockfish,been out deep sea fishing on party boats several times,i understand that it is all seek & understand if no game is taken.i do have expectaions that i should at least see some game.wished i was rich $ 
been lucky in love so im not complaining...too much mike243
been lucky in love so im not complaining...too much mike243
RE: Guided Carp trips.
http://www.wyomingflyfishing.com/carp_f ... eport.aspx
I'll do it for 1/2 that price out of my flats boat!!!!
Gil and Capt.Hook....you boys need to order a hat!
http://www.wyomingflyfishing.com/carp_f ... eport.aspx
I'll do it for 1/2 that price out of my flats boat!!!!
Gil and Capt.Hook....you boys need to order a hat!
gil1
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7mm08 said:
Love the hat! I think I'm buying one.
I could never guide. Not that I'm even capable, but if I were, I'd hate it. Too friggin' hard, long hours, need too much patience, and I'd want to fish. But mostly, I couldn't take the pressure of having to produce day in and day out.
I "guide" a bunch of people carp fishing and a few for smallies and trout. Knowing you aren't getting a dime takes the sting out of having a mediocre fishing outing. I just couldn't cut the mustard and would never want to try. Hats off to those who have the stomach for it.
gil1
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7mm08 said:
Love the hat! I think I'm buying one.
I could never guide. Not that I'm even capable, but if I were, I'd hate it. Too friggin' hard, long hours, need too much patience, and I'd want to fish. But mostly, I couldn't take the pressure of having to produce day in and day out.
I "guide" a bunch of people carp fishing and a few for smallies and trout. Knowing you aren't getting a dime takes the sting out of having a mediocre fishing outing. I just couldn't cut the mustard and would never want to try. Hats off to those who have the stomach for it.
C.H you have a funny way of looking at stuff,what i said was 100% true or why else would somebody pay a "guide" what are you getting for your money if you allready know where the fish hold or what the will hit ?.get a grip i never said anybody was over loaded with money,its like any thing else you pay somebody for a service you a-dont know how to do. b-you dont want to do or c-you dont have time to do.you take lots of stuff offensive around here.looks like you have lots of issues & im going to leave you with them.mike243
I have been keeping my mouth shut about Captain Hook for a while now, but you come off as a total rear end just about every time your fingers touch your key board. I can only imagine that you would be the same way in person. If your business is guiding, I wouldnt let anybody know what your business is named, word of mouth and world of forum could ruin your business with an attitude like yours.
Fordman
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Dammit fellas I got a little red when I read Mikes reply. After thinking about it and having a glass of stump water I got his point. YES your paying for a service. NO its not always people who have loads of money. Case in point if a person likes to fish a out of a drift boat, or a certain river is not outboard motor friendly, its convenient to hire a guide and let them handle the logistics.
B.D.
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gil1 said:
Is that also why you're not married?
:sick: :whistle: [running for cover]
bd
Kirk
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I have a boat and I can find and catch fish. I use Richard Simms a couple of times a year just for the experience and ease of it. I don't have to worry with the boat and keeping the rods and reels ready. I just get to fish and catch lots of fish. Wesley Parrish said something funny on our last trip with Simms. Richard
handed Wesley (and me and my son) rods that were already baited.
When Wesley caught a fish Richard grabbed the fish and was taking it off the hook. Wesley said "I feel like a dude at one of them dude ranches".
handed Wesley (and me and my son) rods that were already baited.
When Wesley caught a fish Richard grabbed the fish and was taking it off the hook. Wesley said "I feel like a dude at one of them dude ranches".
