Should he be taken out ?

[8up]

Dad thinks he has bad genes. As you can see his left antler has no mainbeam and it doesn't appear that he had one that was broken off.

He looks really long in this picture

 

[PickettSFHunter]

If you just want to kill a deer then yeah kill him. Research has show that the doe passes on antler genetics so taking the buck out for that purpose really doesnt do much except for to give the habitat one less mouth eating on it.

 

[8up]

Dad isn't any kind of expert. Thats why I'm asking here. He says when he moved here there was a lot of bucks running around with cowhorn of bladed spikes on one side. Him and the neighbors started shooting every one they saw. They saw fewer and then none for the last 6 or so years. Maybe the does passing that trait were killed off. I don't know.

If he lives another year do you think he will grow a regular rack? Is there any research on this?

 

[156p&y]

We had the exact same genetic and still do sometimes. In unit L we started taking every doe we could and now that genetic is almost gone. We use to see atleast 3 deer a year that had that genetic, now we might see 1 every 2 years. The funny thing is those bucks' with that particular gene where extremely smart. We never killed one in 14 year of hunting them . So we assumed they learned from the same group/family of mature does.

 

[156p&y]

how does killing does help your bucks genetics?You don't know which doe could have good or bad genetics for antler growth.So how do you know if you are shooting the right does or not?you could be taking out the does with the best genetics.

Your right, we don't know but what I explained is just what we saw. It could have had more to do with environmental factors than genetics. Only time will tell.

 

[BSK]

how does killing does help your bucks genetics?You don't know which doe could have good or bad genetics for antler growth.So how do you know if you are shooting the right does or not?you could be taking out the does with the best genetics.

Your right, we don't know but what I explained is just what we saw. It could have had more to do with environmental factors than genetics. Only time will tell.

Not genetic. They "disappeared" because you killed all the bucks with damaged pedicles.

 

[156p&y]

We never killed one of the bucks, we never could. We all thought it was genetic b/c the same deer would have the same screwed up side for every year. Does that mean that if a deer messes up a pedicle that it will stay that way for life?

 

[BoonerBucks]

let him live and find out next year

 

[BSK]

We never killed one of the bucks, we never could. We all thought it was genetic b/c the same deer would have the same screwed up side for every year. Does that mean that if a deer messes up a pedicle that it will stay that way for life?

Yup.

 

[CWT]

Bsk question?
Does the bucks horns or genes come from the doe or how much come from each sex buck or doe?

 

[BSK]

Bsk question?
Does the bucks horns or genes come from the doe or how much come from each sex buck or doe?

Nobody knows the answer to that yet. However, there is evidence that EXPRESSED traits in the FIRST GENERATION offspring come almost exclusively from the mother, but other research indicates males pass on some heritable antler traits that are expressed in later generations.

 

[8up]

We never killed one of the bucks, we never could. We all thought it was genetic b/c the same deer would have the same screwed up side for every year. Does that mean that if a deer messes up a pedicle that it will stay that way for life?

Yup.

I found this in an article at QDMA.com the article was Mis-Management Bucks

The Spike-On-One-Side Gene?

There are some hunters who are convinced that they are witnessing a crippling antler trait in their local deer population, and one example that is often cited is seeing many individual bucks over the course of years with a typical beam and tines on one side and a single spike antler on the other side. While we are not ruling out the possibility, deer biologists and management experts are fairly well united in their rejection of the idea of such significantly damaging antler traits in specific populations.

�In all of my experience, I never have seen a herd with an antler gene problem,� said Mickey. �I have talked to hunters who say they are seeing 21?2-year-old and older bucks with a single spike on one side, and they are convinced it�s a genetic trait. In some cases, I can�t convince them otherwise.�

Mickey said that in all of his experience with wild-captured bucks, the �spike-on-one-side� trait is usually caused by an antler or pedicle injury, and it�s usually a one-year effect.

As an example, Mickey recalled a particular buck captured in multiple years on the King Ranch. First captured at 31?2 years of age, the buck had 6 typical points on one side and a long spike with a brow point on the other side. The buck was tagged, including the implantation of microchips in his ear and leg to ensure accurate identification in the future, and released.

�He qualified as a cull buck, and we designated him for harvest that season, but he was not killed,� said Mickey. �The next year we recaptured him, and I never had a clue it was him. Nobody did. He was 7x6. That spike became a normal 6-point side. He jumped almost 60 inches in B&C score in one year, and we wouldn�t have known it was him without the microchips.�

At 41?2, the buck was put off limits. He was not captured again until he was 61?2. Here�s the overall progression from a 90-inch cull buck to a 180-inch 17-pointer in three years:

1999: Age 31?2 � 6x2 � 90 6/8 inches gross score.
2000: Age 41?2 � 7x6 � 148 6/8 gross score.
2002: Age 61?2 � 7x6 plus 4 abnormals � 179 6/8 gross score.

 

[BSK]

Good post 8up.

I indicated the "spike-on-one-side" is generally permanent due to the experiences managers/researchers are having in the Deep South. I have no idea what the injury was on the buck Mickey was describing, but a common problem seen in bucks in the Deep South is antler drop before the antler is completely ready to fall off. Just like tearing off a scab before the wound is completely healed, producing a bloody spot at the center, some bucks have an antler knocked off in spring before it is ready to come off naturally. This causes a section of the antler pedicle--a core section--to be ripped right out of the pedicle. This type of pedicle damage is permanent, and many Deep South managers report these bucks are "spike-on-one-side" for life anfter the pedicle damage is done.

 

[8up]

Thanks for explaining BSK. I respect and appreciate your knowledge. I have a 1 spike buck and a what I figure is a 2 1/2 year old 7 point whose left main beam seems to be thicker than the right and the beam grew up but just a couple inches forward. All 3 or these bucks have problems on the left.

 

[1bow4me]

Spike on one side---- Two years ago on the land I hunted, we saw 5 bucks from spike to a six point all only had one side, the right side . Can't explain it but it sure was wierd. BTW they were all in the same area, aprox. 150 acres.

 

[mr.big]

we have lived here 6 years,,every year there is one buck that has a typical 4 points on one side and either a spike,or nothing on the other side,,my son has killed 3 of these deer,,do they all have the same momma or what,,

 

[BSK]

Pedicle damage or body injury. Spike on one side is probably not genetic. Most genetic malformations are matched on both sides.