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This is why I think they need to extend season at least in the southern counties. Setting here in a shooting house with my son and just had amature 9 point come through chasing a doe. Im not talking about just playing either this deer was doggin this doe.
 
always a few late ones, but some deer have already dropped horns here and i am only 40 miles from the alabama line. recently killed does have 2-3" fetuses in em. i wish they would shorten two weeks
 
rubicon said:
Amen. I hunt Franklin County and its the same way ever year.


i have hunted franklin county and most of the rutting i saw peaked is early december. on my farm in lincoln, it is usually best at thanksgiving although will swear it is Non 15th
 
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Go to tnwildlife TWRA web site where you can look up the county kills by date to date franklin co kills more at end of year than any county in tn by far.
 
I have said it at least 5 times on here. Designate the county Unit A, B, or L and then break the state down into zones based on rut activity, deer density and set seasons and bag limits accordingly.
 
redblood...Question (based on many of everyone's comments on Tndeer)...What difference would it make if a doe was killed before she was bred or after she had a developed 2"-3" fetus? She'd still be dead and she'd still never drop another fawn.
 
Mike Belt said:
redblood...Question (based on many of everyone's comments on Tndeer)...What difference would it make if a doe was killed before she was bred or after she had a developed 2"-3" fetus? She'd still be dead and she'd still never drop another fawn.

I think he was saying with the 2"-3" fetuses that the peak of the rut has already passed.
 
8 POINTS OR BETTER said:
Mike Belt said:
redblood...Question (based on many of everyone's comments on Tndeer)...What difference would it make if a doe was killed before she was bred or after she had a developed 2"-3" fetus? She'd still be dead and she'd still never drop another fawn.

I think he was saying with the 2"-3" fetuses that the peak of the rut has already passed.



that is exactly what i meant. i hunt the southern counties of TN. i don't shoot does but have lots of other hunters shoot them for me
 
I hunt Franklin county and see bucks chasing does from early November until the end of season. We seem to go through several mini ruts from my observations. I called in a buck who was trailing a doe a couple days before Thanksgiving then saw a buck doing the same Dec 27 this year.

I've also seen bucks chasing does hard opening day of ML season in years past. There is no 4 or 5 days of intense ruts as some areas report seeing.
 
Hunter 257W said:
I hunt Franklin county and see bucks chasing does from early November until the end of season. We seem to go through several mini ruts from my observations. I called in a buck who was trailing a doe a couple days before Thanksgiving then saw a buck doing the same Dec 27 this year.

I've also seen bucks chasing does hard opening day of ML season in years past. There is no 4 or 5 days of intense ruts as some areas report seeing.

I have a client south of Selmer, TN, near the MS border, and he actually sees two peaks of breeding; one near Thanksgiving and a second in early January. I believe the local deer have a mix of "TN genetics" and "MS genetics" for estrus timing.
 
BSK said:
Hunter 257W said:
I hunt Franklin county and see bucks chasing does from early November until the end of season. We seem to go through several mini ruts from my observations. I called in a buck who was trailing a doe a couple days before Thanksgiving then saw a buck doing the same Dec 27 this year.

I've also seen bucks chasing does hard opening day of ML season in years past. There is no 4 or 5 days of intense ruts as some areas report seeing.

I have a client south of Selmer, TN, near the MS border, and he actually sees two peaks of breeding; one near Thanksgiving and a second in early January. I believe the local deer have a mix of "TN genetics" and "MS genetics" for estrus timing.
the area In franklin co I have hunted for 28 years and have never seen a buck chasing until mid dec on! I have another lease in Marion co that's right beside franklin line but in a different area of franklin and the chasing there is always nov- first part of dec. never seen one running there after first week of dec. it's crazy!
 
talk to some of the guys that hunt jackson county al which borders where i hunt. they say best hunting is jan and alot of there big bucks are killed at the end of jan.
 
Ditto I'm in FC and my best rut activity is from December 15-20's and again at the end of season,On my n laws its hot now! Plus I see antlered deer every year on the youth turkey hunts.
 
rubicon said:
talk to some of the guys that hunt jackson county al which borders where i hunt. they say best hunting is jan and alot of there big bucks are killed at the end of jan.


I lived in Paint Rock. The peak was mid Nov. at the top of the valley, (near the TN line) 20 miles south peak rut was always mid Jan.
 
Bone Collector said:
I have said it at least 5 times on here. Designate the county Unit A, B, or L and then break the state down into zones based on rut activity, deer density and set seasons and bag limits accordingly.

100% in agreement with you here Bone Collector.
IMO: Tend to believe the a overwhelming number of our members would sign up for that. I believe there are a few TWRA guys on here as well. Possibly a separate forum they could monitor to take the �pulse� of the guys that �spend the dough� each year to fill the coffers. May even lobby for it on our behalf.
 
Bone Collector said:
I have said it at least 5 times on here. Designate the county Unit A, B, or L and then break the state down into zones based on rut activity, deer density and set seasons and bag limits accordingly.

Way too complicated. When folks can't even decipher when the muzzleloader season opens, a hodgepodged mix of seasons would be impossible.

I've learned never to say never, but that suggestion just isn't doable for a variety of reasons.
 
Back in the 80's we had 4-5 different zones here in Tn & it was a pain remembering which county was open ect,much easier now for the most part. There has to be a start day & a end day & not every body will be happy with either, hunt when you can & better luck next year imo
 
I hunt one county. Would not be hard to remember. I get screwed so better luck to me next year.
 
One 3.5 and one 6.5 were killed this weekend chasing doe by Juvys. Congrats to them. They always get a very good hunt the second Juvy hunt because of rubicon's late rut. It's never a surprise to see some of the biggest bucks in the area killed in January.
 
in the dog house! said:
rubicon said:
talk to some of the guys that hunt jackson county al which borders where i hunt. they say best hunting is jan and alot of there big bucks are killed at the end of jan.


I lived in Paint Rock. The peak was mid Nov. at the top of the valley, (near the TN line) 20 miles south peak rut was always mid Jan.

I just came back from walking my Dad's place in Paint Rock Valley and the place is tore up with really fresh rubs and scrapes. I could even see where they have been chasing in some places. Wish I would have had time to hunt it.
 
I watched a bachelor group in south Hardin CO near Counce this morning for over an hour feed together. Beats me. Two weeks ago, there wasn't any bucks together here but I've seen no chasing here since Christmas week.

I hunt 9 miles from the AL state line in Wayne and my deer are done by December 15 and according to my cameras, it was right on time this year although we saw the least amount of daylight rut activity that we have seen in years.

By reading ALdeer, it looks like the rut is as screwed up in AL (as far as seeing it) as TN was this year.
 
I wish there was no rifle season in my county during peak rut...lol. Seriously, many of your top deer states dont have a rifle season till after peak rut...i.e. Iowa, Ohio. Peak rut taking place after gun closes may result in a larger number of mature bucks than there would otherwise be...just a different way to look at it.
 
Jmed said:
I wish there was no rifle season in my county during peak rut...lol. Seriously, many of your top deer states dont have a rifle season till after peak rut...i.e. Iowa, Ohio. Peak rut taking place after gun closes may result in a larger number of mature bucks than there would otherwise be...just a different way to look at it.

Each state sets their regulations based on the local conditions. Midwestern agricultural states have to have more restrictive buck harvest rules because the terrain is flatter and the habitat more open. In those conditions, killing bucks is much easier (because they can be seen and shot from great distances). They require more restrictive buck limits to prevent over-harvest. Although TN has such habitat/terrain, it is not the most common habitat/terrain. TN has a much higher percent of land that is very low-visibility. In that situation, less protection is required. In fact, gun hunting during the rut is necessary to allow hunters enough opportunity to harvest bucks. Without it, buck harvests (which are NOT too high), would decline dramatically.

As a secondary note, you do realize TN has a far superior buck age structure to Ohio? Ohio hunters slaughter the yearling bucks. TN hunters don't.
 
BSK said:
Jmed said:
I wish there was no rifle season in my county during peak rut...lol. Seriously, many of your top deer states dont have a rifle season till after peak rut...i.e. Iowa, Ohio. Peak rut taking place after gun closes may result in a larger number of mature bucks than there would otherwise be...just a different way to look at it.

Each state sets their regulations based on the local conditions. Midwestern agricultural states have to have more restrictive buck harvest rules because the terrain is flatter and the habitat more open. In those conditions, killing bucks is much easier (because they can be seen and shot from great distances). They require more restrictive buck limits to prevent over-harvest. Although TN has such habitat/terrain, it is not the most common habitat/terrain. TN has a much higher percent of land that is very low-visibility. In that situation, less protection is required. In fact, gun hunting during the rut is necessary to allow hunters enough opportunity to harvest bucks. Without it, buck harvests (which are NOT too high), would decline dramatically.

As a secondary note, you do realize TN has a far superior buck age structure to Ohio? Ohio hunters slaughter the yearling bucks. TN hunters don't.



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