P/Y and new ruling on lighted sights.
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Glad to see some common sense. That was a ridiculous rule to begin with.
Correct...in a quick sec...
Pope and Young and Boone and Crockett are a conservation organization commited to wild game species and the preservation of habitat for them (amoung other things).
Boone and Crockett is the "GOLD STANDARD" of measuring inches of antler in whitetails (and all other antlered species...and skulls) including inside spread.
The Pope and Young Records keeping organization is committed to archers (not xbows or guns) while B/C takes weapons kills, natural death, garage finds, road kills, etc. Each in its' own category.
None allow high fence finds/kills. Safari Club International does.
An example of the difference of minimum entry requirement:
Bow is 125 inches net typical for P/Y while a typical whitetail has to make 160 inches for B/C (a very impressive animal.
To make either score the buck antlers will have 4 characteristics:
1-inside spread
2-both main beams measured and all points lengths
3-FOUR mass measurements on each side
4-Symmetry
So this (B/C) scoring system was developed by a group of hunters MANY years ago.
It is literally based on a symmetrical 8 point. Typical, symmetrical racks do well in this system because differences in the measurements from one side to the corresponding other side are recorded and deducted from the final gross score.
In the end, this B/C scoring system is a good way to describe an animal seen.
If I tell you I saw a 150 today...in Tennessee, on public land, you are probably going to listen (and ask for coordinates)
Honestly, not too many people like to talk about Net score. And for good reason.
I've seen GREAT bucks lose loads of inches of antlers in final score (Net) after deductions. So in reality, "nets are for records, gross scores are for stories".
It is quite a blessing to kill a 160" NET score whitetail. VERY RARE!
And a 125" NET score with a bow, especially on public or PRIVATE high pressured land is as well.
tree_ghost
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glad to see the change. it was a stupid rule even though i dont use a light on my sight. i get way to much wash out of the target from a sight lite.
With this said and this is just my opinion the BTR scoring system I think was the name was a better system because it just measured bone . The B&C and P&Y measure the inside spread which IMO is air and hurts great racks that don't have a wide spread. Think Buckmasters used the BTR system if that indeed was what it was called . And IMO the gross score should be all that a rack needs heck with symmetrical rack but to enter into a book the net is required. What a buck grows is what I think should matter.
deerhunter10
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Good they have some very dumb rules.
That would be th measurement for a B/C GOBBLER CANDIDATE.Reckon ya gotta have rules to measure their peckers, all part of trophy hunting.
DoubleRidge
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Its easy to understand the frustration with the scoring system, gross, deductions, net, etc.
But per B&C, its about more than a score. So if you read the history its interesting. Comment below is from the foreward of the first "book":
"...the foreward of "The Book," states that it was meant to "celebrate the animal, not to glorify the hunter. It does not matter whether the animal's horns, tusks, or teeth were picked up in the veld from one that died of natural causes, was killed by a predator, or was shot by a hunter. By establishing the benchmark for what constitutes a trophy, The Book makes a most valuable contribution to conservation. By setting the standards high, The Book ensures that trophy hunters will concentrate on those big, old, lone males that have long since passed on their genes to younger generations."
It's worth noting that the high-water mark of this records-as-conservation-yardstick, the Boone and Crockett Club's Records of North American Big Game, hews much to that same ethic.
So in reality its more about the uniqueness of the animal...not about the hunter.
It truly takes a special animal to make the book and that in no way says bucks that dont make it are not to be respected.
Its a yardstick to measure and compare by...a system to keep records and to understand where different animals thrive and how the are doing now verses years past...Its also a way to communicate.
Somebody says "big buck" ok, that can vary by region....140" in the deep south? 160" in the midwest? 180" in the far North? Its a measuring stick to recognize the animal...not the hunter....sadly man is good about making things about us and our desires and taking the focus off the original intention....B&C, I suspect will always be the gold standard.
But per B&C, its about more than a score. So if you read the history its interesting. Comment below is from the foreward of the first "book":
"...the foreward of "The Book," states that it was meant to "celebrate the animal, not to glorify the hunter. It does not matter whether the animal's horns, tusks, or teeth were picked up in the veld from one that died of natural causes, was killed by a predator, or was shot by a hunter. By establishing the benchmark for what constitutes a trophy, The Book makes a most valuable contribution to conservation. By setting the standards high, The Book ensures that trophy hunters will concentrate on those big, old, lone males that have long since passed on their genes to younger generations."
It's worth noting that the high-water mark of this records-as-conservation-yardstick, the Boone and Crockett Club's Records of North American Big Game, hews much to that same ethic.
So in reality its more about the uniqueness of the animal...not about the hunter.
It truly takes a special animal to make the book and that in no way says bucks that dont make it are not to be respected.
Its a yardstick to measure and compare by...a system to keep records and to understand where different animals thrive and how the are doing now verses years past...Its also a way to communicate.
Somebody says "big buck" ok, that can vary by region....140" in the deep south? 160" in the midwest? 180" in the far North? Its a measuring stick to recognize the animal...not the hunter....sadly man is good about making things about us and our desires and taking the focus off the original intention....B&C, I suspect will always be the gold standard.
BTR (Buckmasters Trophy Records) is a fine measurement system. It is just a different way to score a buck.
I like it.
I've scored for them as well.
PERFECT!
themanpcl
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The last thing i would ever do is register one
Urban_Hunter
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Hopefully this comes in handy for all the p&y deer I kill 
Wooden Arrow
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what's a sight ?
