I appreciate everyone's opinion. The reason I'm asking is because my nephew and I are trying to convince a few family members, who only want to hunt when they get a wild hair, what we believe (backed by tndeer members' opinions) constitutes a shooter. This way, we're hoping to instill some understanding instead of a boot to the head! We both spend a lot of time and money trying to make our place somewhere our children can hopefully harvest a mature buck, something he/she can hang on the wall and be proud of!