Smokeless Newbie

[TRIGGER]

Besides being careful with the load what else do I need to know about smokeless? I have never been around one before. The gun I'm getting is a previously owned savage with a known load that the gun likes.

 

[ratsnakeboogy]

Mark your ramrod for a loaded round.
Always remember to take your ramrod out of the barrel.
If you have a failure to fire, always reseat the load.
Only take one bullet, powder vile, primer to the bench at a time.
Don't get distracted or you will mess up on one of the above.

 

[mike243]

Great advice there rsb :tu: .love mine dougs message board would be a start to look up loads for different powder/bullet combo's.was shooting a 240g XTP mag last year and worked well a different ranges,not sure what I want to shoot this year but 250g shock waves were not doing much more than drilling holes when shot into ribs at close to 2500fps

 

[Roost 1]

Great advice there rsb :tu: .love mine dougs message board would be a start to look up loads for different powder/bullet combo's.was shooting a 240g XTP mag last year and worked well a different ranges,not sure what I want to shoot this year but 250g shock waves were not doing much more than drilling holes when shot into ribs at close to 2500fps

Try a 250gr Barnes TEZ....

 

[lazer]

If your primers start to bulge, check ventliner hole size and replace after it gets .035" or bigger....Also find a drill bit big enough to clean out the flame channel area in the breackplug...the area in front of the primer pocket...When it gets fouled it will impair ignition and also create more pressure on a 209 primer.....Since you will be shooting sabots,wait for barrel to cool down between shots or you will have erratic groups....Most savages like a dirty barrel to perform well,so unless loading pressure is too much,
don't clean it....I like to index my sabots to the rifling,two lands per sabot petal...Some people think it doesnt matter, but it just makes sense to me....Good luck with it...

 

[Food Plot 101]

If your primers start to bulge, check ventliner hole size and replace after it gets .035" or bigger....Also find a drill bit big enough to clean out the flame channel area in the breackplug...the area in front of the primer pocket...When it gets fouled it will impair ignition and also create more pressure on a 209 primer.....Since you will be shooting sabots,wait for barrel to cool down between shots or you will have erratic groups....Most savages like a dirty barrel to perform well,so unless loading pressure is too much,
don't clean it....I like to index my sabots to the rifling,two lands per sabot petal...Some people think it doesnt matter, but it just makes sense to me....Good luck with it...

Not bad to be OCD when it comes to these rifles. I'll have to try that.

 

[TRIGGER]

If your primers start to bulge, check ventliner hole size and replace after it gets .035" or bigger....Also find a drill bit big enough to clean out the flame channel area in the breackplug...the area in front of the primer pocket...When it gets fouled it will impair ignition and also create more pressure on a 209 primer.....Since you will be shooting sabots,wait for barrel to cool down between shots or you will have erratic groups....Most savages like a dirty barrel to perform well,so unless loading pressure is too much,
don't clean it....I like to index my sabots to the rifling,two lands per sabot petal...Some people think it doesnt matter, but it just makes sense to me....Good luck with it...

Thank you

 

[GMB54]

Keep your flash CHANNEL clean like this with a 5/32 drill bit. Leave the flash HOLE in the vent liner alone or just use a soft wire as a "nipple pick". Dont ever stick a drill bit in the vent liner. The smooth part of torch tip cleaners work if used carefully.

Clean the flash CHANNEL with a old vent liner installed to protect the threads in the plug.

BTW when you get tired of dealing with vent liners you can get a plug with a tungsten carbide bushing instead of vent. The bushing lasts a very very long time. Luke at smokelessmz.com sells them for around $80.

 

[TRIGGER]

Keep your flash CHANNEL clean like this with a 5/32 drill bit. Leave the flash HOLE in the vent liner alone or just use a soft wire as a "nipple pick". Dont ever stick a drill bit in the vent liner. The smooth part of torch tip cleaners work if used carefully.

Clean the flash CHANNEL with a old vent liner installed to protect the threads in the plug.

BTW when you get tired of dealing with vent liners you can get a plug with a tungsten carbide bushing instead of vent. The bushing lasts a very very long time. Luke at smokelessmz.com sells them for around $80.

Is there more of a problem with smokeless vs say my cva accura running 777 or blackhorn as far as flash channel?

 

[GMB54]

Flash channel volume is part of what limits the pressure on the primer. As volume goes down from carbon buildup, pressure on the primer increases and reliability goes down. The Savage plug has a 5/32 flash channel, the OEM CVA plug has a 3mm channel and the CVA Blackhorn209 plug has a 1/8th channel. When using Blackhorn209 its also a very good idea to make sure the flash channel is kept clean. Mostly for reliability reasons. Triple7 is far easier to ignite than either smokeless or Blackhorn209.

 

[TRIGGER]

Flash channel volume is part of what limits the pressure on the primer. As volume goes down from carbon buildup, pressure on the primer increases and reliability goes down. The Savage plug has a 5/32 flash channel, the OEM CVA plug has a 3mm channel and the CVA Blackhorn209 plug has a 1/8th channel. When using Blackhorn209 its also a very good idea to make sure the flash channel is kept clean. Mostly for reliability reasons. Triple7 is far easier to ignite than either smokeless or Blackhorn209.

Just had a conversation last night with a buddy and we were wondering if black power was easier to ignite than smokeless. Thanks because we didn't know.