New TN World record confirmed

[Roost 1]

Here's a scenario to think about... deer farmer and his family like to hunt too. He needs to get rid of some does anyway so why not turn them loose on his 500-600 acre farm that prolly is located a few miles away from the deer farm. Now these does could or could not be bred when turned loose doesn't matter really. They have superior genes anyways along with a good dose of steroids and proteins so when they bred with wild bucks they might not produce 200-300" offspring but 150-180" could be expected. These does will eventually die or get killed but they will produce more doe fawns so the genetics hang around for awhile. Then it's time for deer farmer to thin his does again so the cycle repeats itself. In the meantime, all the neighbors see a vast improvement in their bucks and before long they put 2 & 2 together and then everybody stops shooting does and eventually this whole area becomes known for big bucks...Like I said just something to think about. Very hypothetical situation.

 

[thomasmckinney12]

Here's a scenario to think about... deer farmer and his family like to hunt too. He needs to get rid of some does anyway so why not turn them loose on his 500-600 acre farm that prolly is located a few miles away from the deer farm. Now these does could or could not be bred when turned loose doesn't matter really. They have superior genes anyways along with a good dose of steroids and proteins so when they bred with wild bucks they might not produce 200-300" offspring but 150-180" could be expected. These does will eventually die or get killed but they will produce more doe fawns so the genetics hang around for awhile. Then it's time for deer farmer to thin his does again so the cycle repeats itself. In the meantime, all the neighbors see a vast improvement in their bucks and before long they put 2 & 2 together and then everybody stops shooting does and eventually this whole area becomes known for big bucks...Like I said just something to think about. Very hypothetical situation.

Be like a cattle farmer turning his cows out when he gets to many........

listen ..........God is talking he said use jackstands......

 

[51Pointer]

I think this whole deer farm stuff is funny, there are none around Gallatin, this area consistently produces big bucks, our last state record which is extremely similar came from the exact area and was also 3.5 years old, it's no different then when we see big humans that have average size parents..... it just happens


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[GRIT]

Anyone remember Hunts Sporting goods store in hendersonville.Back in the 80s there was big deer being checked in there all the time from that area. Some had the same type rack as this deer did just not as big.There was some huge deer around the Callender Lane area.

 

[TNWhit3tail]

Not just Gallatin, but in Hendersonville too. I have family members who live around Old Hickory Lake with trail pics out of their backyard with BIG bucks! Remember the 170-180" buck that was poached last season I believe? I mean it's not like there's been an epidemic of 250" bucks killed. Can't we just be happy for the guy instead of insisting it wasn't fair. World record belongs to Tennessee man!!! :super: :super:

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Can't we just be happy for the guy instead of insisting it wasn't fair.

Exactly my thoughts! I think it's awesome he wasn't on a team or has a whole pile of product in front of the deer for the picture.

 

[Mike Belt]

51... Agree 100%. I seriously doubt deer farmers are intentionally turning deer lose. However, I know for a fact some do escape from time to time. Even so, not enough to influence the genetics of a wild deer population and within a couple of generations any "superior" genetics would be diluted to their environment anyway.

Parts of Tn are capable of producing large antlered bucks. That's always been the case and will remain so. If anything boosted that it was a combination of things.
1)The Tn limit reduction from 11 down to 3 and (so far slightly) down to 2
2)The liberalization of killing does
3)The more pronounced idealist approach of hunters passing on younger, smaller bucks
4)The increased practice of supplemental food plots

All play a role in allowing some bucks, including the small percentage of naturally genetically superior bucks, to express their potential. If any of those bucks are predisposed to being almost completely nocturnal and/or "happen" to be born into a location providing everything their bodies require including security and possibly light hunting pressure, then 312" bucks aren't an impossibility... as we see. Given that an area traditionally produces above average rack measurements statewide and that they meet the above criteria it could happen again... or not. Knowing human nature, I don't doubt there will be those that expeditiously attempt to lease land surrounding where this record buck came from. They may be happy to hunt an area that is capable of producing above average racks but I highly doubt that any of them will ever face killing a buck to break the record here.... just as I doubt that because of this buck being killed in Tn that we will ever become a mega destination state for big bucks. If we had the background maybe, but we don't and won't.

 

[51Pointer]

51... Agree 100%. I seriously doubt deer farmers are intentionally turning deer lose. However, I know for a fact some do escape from time to time. Even so, not enough to influence the genetics of a wild deer population and within a couple of generations any "superior" genetics would be diluted to their environment anyway.

Parts of Tn are capable of producing large antlered bucks. That's always been the case and will remain so. If anything boosted that it was a combination of things.
1)The Tn limit reduction from 11 down to 3 and (so far slightly) down to 2
2)The liberalization of killing does
3)The more pronounced idealist approach of hunters passing on younger, smaller bucks
4)The increased practice of supplemental food plots

All play a role in allowing some bucks, including the small percentage of naturally genetically superior bucks, to express their potential. If any of those bucks are predisposed to being almost completely nocturnal and/or "happen" to be born into a location providing everything their bodies require including security and possibly light hunting pressure, then 312" bucks aren't an impossibility... as we see. Given that an area traditionally produces above average rack measurements statewide and that they meet the above criteria it could happen again... or not. Knowing human nature, I don't doubt there will be those that expeditiously attempt to lease land surrounding where this record buck came from. They may be happy to hunt an area that is capable of producing above average racks but I highly doubt that any of them will ever face killing a buck to break the record here.... just as I doubt that because of this buck being killed in Tn that we will ever become a mega destination state for big bucks. If we had the background maybe, but we don't and won't.

I agree Mike, there will never be 150" bucks walking around like they do in Illinois, Iowa, parts of KY, OH etc. I actually never thought TN would produce anything that would beat my 244" buck but boy did it, we just don't have the masses of agriculture like these other states


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[csi-tech]

I am glad Tennessee is producing some whoppers. I have seen first hand in Lake Charles LA what estate deer releases (escapes) can do. That's not an issue here. I believe this is the real deal.

 

[Roost 1]

I think y'all might of missed the part of my reply being a hypothetical situation. I have no reason to believe this WR buck is not 100% wild or legit in every way. But I think it's niave to think the situation I described can't or don't happen in certain places.

 

[AT Hiker]

Trail cam of this deer. All those points really added up. What a freak.


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[Headhunter]

I think y'all might of missed the part of my reply being a hypothetical situation. I have no reason to believe this WR buck is not 100% wild or legit in every way. But I think it's niave to think the situation I described can't or don't happen in certain places.

But what does it have to do with the buck in this thread? I have no clue if he looks or cares anything about the internet or this website, but I say congrats to him on a great kill and wish I had that kind of luck where I just had an actual chance to hunt even a booner buck in Tennessee whether or not I ever killed him.

 

[Mike Belt]

I know it's a big rack but I actually think it's an ugly rack. Still, I wouldn't hesitate shooting it. You could knock off 100" and make it a big typical 10 pointer and I'd be more impressed with it's appearance.

 

[AT Hiker]

I know it's a big rack but I actually think it's an ugly rack. Still, I wouldn't hesitate shooting it. You could knock off 100" and make it a big typical 10 pointer and I'd be more impressed with it's appearance.

The trail cam pic of it I posted looks like he barely has a 140" main frame. Of course these pics can be deceiving (true in this case because we know this deer scores over 300"). I'm wondering if this year something happened to that deer to cause all those extra points or if he would have had them next year.

I'd never kill this deer because if I knew it existed I would never leave the woods!


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[fairchaser]

The official B&C scorer said the main frame 10 point rack scored 158 plus the other nontypical points added another 155 points to the score.

 

[Lost Lake]

Congratulations to the hunter, that's one heckuva buck.

 

[mathews338]

I think this whole deer farm stuff is funny, there are none around Gallatin, this area consistently produces big bucks, our last state record which is extremely similar came from the exact area and was also 3.5 years old, it's no different then when we see big humans that have average size parents..... it just happens


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I agree, I think it is crazy for some of these guys to think someone would invest a ton of money into a world class deer herd then turn them loose. And to my knowledge there are no world class deer farms close to that area anyways so the whole escape theory doesn't work either. The man just got lucky and killed a freak of nature so I'm happy for him.

 

[Roost 1]

I think this whole deer farm stuff is funny, there are none around Gallatin, this area consistently produces big bucks, our last state record which is extremely similar came from the exact area and was also 3.5 years old, it's no different then when we see big humans that have average size parents..... it just happens


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I agree, I think it is crazy for some of these guys to think someone would invest a ton of money into a world class deer herd then turn them loose. And to my knowledge there are no world class deer farms close to that area anyways so the whole escape theory doesn't work either. The man just got lucky and killed a freak of nature so I'm happy for him.

Depending on how you define close ...... And it prolly happends more than you think. Of course these guys aren't gonna turn bucks loose but what do you think they do with their excess does. They don't nevessarily breed deer to have a bunch of does.

 

[chris1976]

I think this whole deer farm stuff is funny, there are none around Gallatin, this area consistently produces big bucks, our last state record which is extremely similar came from the exact area and was also 3.5 years old, it's no different then when we see big humans that have average size parents..... it just happens


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I agree, I think it is crazy for some of these guys to think someone would invest a ton of money into a world class deer herd then turn them loose. And to my knowledge there are no world class deer farms close to that area anyways so the whole escape theory doesn't work either. The man just got lucky and killed a freak of nature so I'm happy for him.

Depending on how you define close ...... And it prolly happends more than you think. Of course these guys aren't gonna turn bucks loose but what do you think they do with their excess does. They don't nevessarily breed deer to have a bunch of does.

I am sure they are sold to other deer farmers and high fence operations, for a hefty sum I'm sure. I can all but guarantee they are not turned loose. That would be throwing money away.


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[BULL MOOSE]

I know it's a big rack but I actually think it's an ugly rack. Still, I wouldn't hesitate shooting it. You could knock off 100" and make it a big typical 10 pointer and I'd be more impressed with it's appearance.

You are a hard man to please! 8-)

 

[REM7]

Just to add my 2 cents on this amazing story...
Congratulations to all the states hunters who live and hunt in not only a TROPHY State but a WR State now... for half the cost! :)
And don't forget to be on the lookout for your favorite TV hunting personalities coming soon to a tree stand near you.

 

[Hunter 257W]

This is going off on the tangent of deer farming and specifically the question of what deer breeders might do with "excess" does. From what little I know about the deer farming business, selling does is probably one of their main sources of income. It's been found that the doe is more responsible for antler size and shape of her buck fawns than the buck who bred her is. Also I'd bet the does are way cheaper than those huge racked bucks with a traceable linage going back many generations. If somebody wanted to stock a high fence hunting preserve quickly, it would just make sense to buy maybe 2 dozen "farm raised" does and maybe just 1 or 2 of the bucks. You can even side step buying one of their bucks entirely and buy the does already bred and ready to drop fawns from those monster bucks next Spring.

Look at the videos of the deer farm near my house and you'll notice that while their website emphasizes huge bucks, the videos show them delivering trailer loads of does. I doubt they have any trouble getting rid of does to the point that they would give them away.

http://www.southernyankees.net/videos.p ... ark=videos

 

[Roost 1]

Who said anything about giving them away??

 

[Obsession]

I have heard the an elderly lady had been feeding this deer regularly with some sort of protein feed. I'm not sure how legit those products are but with this bucks proximity to neighborhoods and lack of front teeth the story could have some credence. If a deer had a large portion of it diet consisting of a protein feed due to the lack of front teeth, could this have a major impact on antler growth? Maybe...

 

[fairchaser]

This deer is aged at 4.5 and according to Stephen Tucker, he had seen the buck while harvesting corn, set up a ground blind and a game camera. Then had the buck at 30 yds when his muzzleloader missed fired. Next hunt he had the buck at 162 yards for 10 minutes but felt uncomfortable with the shot so he passed. The next hunt he killed the buck at 40 yds from the same blind. His story is most certainly true but dad gum. If I get to see a mature buck once a season for a few precious seconds I've done well. Seeing the same buck three or four times and shooting at him from a newly set ground blind that sticks out like a sore thumb after I've set up a new camera and gotten a picture of him, never in a million years would I kill that buck where I hunt.

 

[cbhunter]

This deer is aged at 4.5 and according to Stephen Tucker, he had seen the buck while harvesting corn, set up a ground blind and a game camera. Then had the buck at 30 yds when his muzzleloader missed fired. Next hunt he had the buck at 162 yards for 10 minutes but felt uncomfortable with the shot so he passed. The next hunt he killed the buck at 40 yds from the same blind. His story is most certainly true but dad gum. If I get to see a mature buck once a season for a few precious seconds I've done well. Seeing the same buck three or four times and shooting at him from a newly set ground blind that sticks out like a sore thumb after I've set up a new camera and gotten a picture of him, never in a million years would I kill that buck where I hunt.

amen to that! I'm always amazed at these folks that have multiple opportunities at the same mature deer. Heck I'm lucky if I can get two pictures of him, much less more than one sighting.


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[ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]

This deer is aged at 4.5 and according to Stephen Tucker, he had seen the buck while harvesting corn, set up a ground blind and a game camera. Then had the buck at 30 yds when his muzzleloader missed fired. Next hunt he had the buck at 162 yards for 10 minutes but felt uncomfortable with the shot so he passed. The next hunt he killed the buck at 40 yds from the same blind. His story is most certainly true but dad gum. If I get to see a mature buck once a season for a few precious seconds I've done well. Seeing the same buck three or four times and shooting at him from a newly set ground blind that sticks out like a sore thumb after I've set up a new camera and gotten a picture of him, never in a million years would I kill that buck where I hunt.

amen to that! I'm always amazed at these folks that have multiple opportunities at the same mature deer. Heck I'm lucky if I can get two pictures of him, much less more than one sighting.


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he was definitely hunting the bucks pattern at the time

 

[Boone 58]

This deer is aged at 4.5 and according to Stephen Tucker, he had seen the buck while harvesting corn, set up a ground blind and a game camera. Then had the buck at 30 yds when his muzzleloader missed fired. Next hunt he had the buck at 162 yards for 10 minutes but felt uncomfortable with the shot so he passed. The next hunt he killed the buck at 40 yds from the same blind. His story is most certainly true but dad gum. If I get to see a mature buck once a season for a few precious seconds I've done well. Seeing the same buck three or four times and shooting at him from a newly set ground blind that sticks out like a sore thumb after I've set up a new camera and gotten a picture of him, never in a million years would I kill that buck where I hunt.

amen to that! I'm always amazed at these folks that have multiple opportunities at the same mature deer. Heck I'm lucky if I can get two pictures of him, much less more than one sighting.


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he was definitely hunting the bucks pattern at the time

I have a friend in Alabama that had multiple opportunities at 3 different bucks and one had a 21" spread! I couldn't believe his good fortune!!! He Killed at least 2

 

[Winchester]

The official B&C scorer said the main frame 10 point rack scored 158 plus the other nontypical points added another 155 points to the score.

Correct, and didnt this deer end up being 4.5 once the teeth were sent off for analysis??

 

[fairchaser]

The official B&C scorer said the main frame 10 point rack scored 158 plus the other nontypical points added another 155 points to the score.

Correct, and didnt this deer end up being 4.5 once the teeth were sent off for analysis??

They did change their opinion on the age of the deer based on tooth wear and replacement but to my knowledge the teeth were not sent off for cementum analysis. But, yes they say now he is 4.5.