I bought a new Wolf back last year off the CVA website after seeing it on the deals forum. So I get an occasional email from them. Saw this yesterday. Can't wait to see more about it. I guess it is their answer to the smokeless craze!
New CVA .40 cal Muzzleloader
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225 cal bullet at 2850 fps. Pretty awesome for a non-smokeless MZ
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I've not read much about them yet, but I like the idea.
Very interesting.
It may not be a huge deal though, because many of us already shoot .45 caliber shots with the plastic jackets in our 50 caliber MZ's.
Very interesting.
It may not be a huge deal though, because many of us already shoot .45 caliber shots with the plastic jackets in our 50 caliber MZ's.
I've read several articles about it. It looks promising for those who still have a MZing season, but useless for us in Unit CWD.
From what I can gather, cva is coming out with a few .40 caliber options in their muzzleloader series of rifles. One is an Accura version. The other is a Paramount style version. They also developed a 225 gr, .40 caliber version of the Powerbelt ELR that the rifles can utilize. It'll be interesting to see how they perform with the advertised 1:20 twist rate. It should work well with the 225 gr ELR but I'm curious how it'll handle heavier, longer .40 caliber bullets. Also curious what size charge they used to get that kind of velocity from a non-smokeless.
https://www.internationalsportsman.com/new-cva-40-caliber-muzzleloader-accura-mr-x/
https://www.internationalsportsman.com/new-cva-40-caliber-muzzleloader-accura-mr-x/
east_tn_gk
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I'll definitely be following this as folks try it out.
New CVA Paramount HTR. Available in .45 and .40 calibers.
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=HTR
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=HTR
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Got an email on the new .40 a few days ago. Looks interesting. If we did not have one for my wife and myself I might look more into it.
Been very happy with our cva accura muzzleloading rifles. Forget the velocity off the top of my head I am getting with 120 grains loose t7 and a 240 grain xtp, but it shoots pretty flat for a muzzleloader.
Like mentioned above though for unit cwd can use a rifle now.
Been very happy with our cva accura muzzleloading rifles. Forget the velocity off the top of my head I am getting with 120 grains loose t7 and a 240 grain xtp, but it shoots pretty flat for a muzzleloader.
Like mentioned above though for unit cwd can use a rifle now.
On the website, it says up to 170 grains by volume (119 grains by weight) of Black horn 209
Yep, I've read the same. Bet its generating some interesting barrel pressure.
Smo
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Using 170 grns by volume, should save time skinning one too!
Just blow the skin off of them....works for me.
170 grns in a .40 cal, would be a stack of powder almost 1/4 the way up the 26" barrel from the breech plug...Exciting!
Just blow the skin off of them....works for me.
170 grns in a .40 cal, would be a stack of powder almost 1/4 the way up the 26" barrel from the breech plug...Exciting!
http://www.namlhunt.com/cva-paramou...5seLAqgAMAdJALGXsE5sJPZBqvXkKIWFms-LV-j-qpmGQ
I might have to switch over to one of these in a few years! Impressive!
I might have to switch over to one of these in a few years! Impressive!
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Charger
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Everything you want to know.
140grV and the 225gr clocked 2640fps
150grV and the 225gr clocked 2710fps
Man that has to be making some serious peak pressure to get that kind of speed. My guess is that is why the MR-X is only getting 2300fps and probably using 120grV of BH209 as its max load. Imagine what the numbers would be moving upto a 250gr or heavier Fury or Pittman 40cal. OUCH
I know of a guy testing a 40cal Knight with heavier bullets. Getting around 2300fps with a 250gr and just 120grV of BH209. Major plug upgrades were needed or it ate them for lunch. Bestill has a video with a short clip of the rifle based on a Knight DISC type action.
150grV and the 225gr clocked 2710fps
Man that has to be making some serious peak pressure to get that kind of speed. My guess is that is why the MR-X is only getting 2300fps and probably using 120grV of BH209 as its max load. Imagine what the numbers would be moving upto a 250gr or heavier Fury or Pittman 40cal. OUCH
I know of a guy testing a 40cal Knight with heavier bullets. Getting around 2300fps with a 250gr and just 120grV of BH209. Major plug upgrades were needed or it ate them for lunch. Bestill has a video with a short clip of the rifle based on a Knight DISC type action.
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Headhunter
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My cva accura long range in 45 caliber is shooting a 285 gr ELR at almost 2300 over my magneto chronograph with 110 gr, by volume, of blackhorn.
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A 280gr what exactly because i have never seen a Accura LR in 45cal yet. That is some amazing speed for a 50cal unless you are talking about 110gr by weight which is a huge over load for that rifle. I get a little over 2100fps in a 45cal sabotless with 120gr by volume in a 27" barrel. I cant imagine how you are getting almost 2300fps in a 50cal without exceeding the powder max.
120gr by volume or 84gr by weight (roughly) is the max BH209 load in all Accuras at this time.
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CVA pulled the plug on the MR/LR-X 40s. They are now listed only in a 45cal 1-22 and a 50cal 1-28. New max load data has also been listed and they wont be getting the 2800fps they had originally claimed for the Paramount.
https://cva.com/product-line/accura-x-treme-rifles/
https://www.nmlra.org/news/paramount-reccommended-loads-2021
Headhunter
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My accura LR is a 45 caliber, 30" barrel. 110 gr blackhorn by volume. typing error, 285 gr elr bullet.
Any questions, call Tony Smotherman, he is who helps me out. I promise he knows more than you.
https://cva.bpishopping.com/catalog/product/view/id/921/s/pr3138nm/category/8/
Any questions, call Tony Smotherman, he is who helps me out. I promise he knows more than you.
https://cva.bpishopping.com/catalog/product/view/id/921/s/pr3138nm/category/8/
Headhunter
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I have 2 accura v2 in 45 with the shorter barrel, both shoot a 195 gr barnes in a smooth blue sabot right at 2300 fps with 110 gr blackhorn by volume.
I can only guess the ELR bullet has less drag than the sabot and the longer barrel helps with the velocity.
I can only guess the ELR bullet has less drag than the sabot and the longer barrel helps with the velocity.
Headhunter
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The accura v2 long range in 45 has been around since early last fall for sure if not longer.
Ok and how are you getting almost 2300fps? By using 110gr by weight because i dont see that happening with 110gr by volume. Ive shot TONS of sabotless 45cal loads and no way i can imagine is 110gr by volume going to gain that much speed from a barrel only 3" longer than mine.
Ive shot those loads in 2 fast twist Knight 45 1-20s and a Savage Pacnor 45 1-22. 3" extra will get you another 60fps at most. 110gr by volume gives me almost exactly 2100fps with a 275gr.
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Headhunter
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Uh, by loading my muzzleloader and shooting over the magneto chronograph to how fast it is going.
Really, pretty simple.
Really, pretty simple.
Headhunter
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I have not tired 120 gr by volume, but I will. As fast it is with 110 of blackhorn over the magneto chronorgraph and as accurate as it is, I don't need anymore. Shoots 1/2" at 100 yards and the 195 gr barnes with the sabot shoot in almost the same hole. I have not shot 195 gr barnes out of the 30" barrel, I will.
Below they are about 100 fps slower, not sure why the difference. Tony Smotherman told me he was getting 2300 fps out of his with 110 gr of blackhorn. I never got 2300 but got close over my chronograph.
Longest I have shot at range is 250 yards and I stood clay pigeons at that distance and broke them every shot. Well, once I knew where to hold.
Below they are about 100 fps slower, not sure why the difference. Tony Smotherman told me he was getting 2300 fps out of his with 110 gr of blackhorn. I never got 2300 but got close over my chronograph.
Longest I have shot at range is 250 yards and I stood clay pigeons at that distance and broke them every shot. Well, once I knew where to hold.
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Wiley
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My shoulder wouldn't handle those loads mentioned for the new 40cal. My 50cal Accura don't need anything changed and the deer don't know the difference.
Headhunter
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here you go, 110 gr blackhorn by volume. Not sure why a little slower but still pushing the 285 gr bullet along just fine. Loaded from speedloaders, slowest speed lost a bit of powder loading.
