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Had a nice doe @ 20 yds broadside, leveled the sights right behind the shoulder, pulled the trigger and pop...NO BANG. It was a misfire. I left my other caps in the truck. I was pissed. I'm thinking about giving up muzzleloaders and just using a bow or centerfire.
 
LOL. Been there and done that. Usually it was my fault, unless it was raining. Did you swab the barrel before loading and shoot a couple of caps before loading?
 
Sucks but I guess we've all been there. What really pisses you off is when the deer stays there for you to put another primer on and it does it a second time, then the deer just casually walks away like she knows she in no trouble.
 
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The barrel was swabbed, sparkling clean, and a few caps fired before hand. The worst of it is that this was one of those last minute miracles you pray for. I had the gun unprimed, the truck started, and was getting ready to leave. I then saw five big does sprinting across the field. I grabbed a cap and sprinted across the field. I was able to cut them off and miraculously one walked right in front of me and stopped, turned broadside, and just sat there. I had all the time in the world. What sucks is afterwards I reprimed and shot it off in a tree and worked flawlessly. Must have been a bad cap or something.
 
I was using CCI primers several years ago and misfired on an 8 point. He didn't leave so I got another chance with same result. Something ,I assumed, from first cap plugged the nipple. Got my hunting knife out, picked out the what looked like small cap size piece of paper, and got a third chance and it went off. Unfortunately he was 100 yards away then and I was shooting open sights.
 
Been there and done that with a Knight wolverine around 8 years ago. Had a big 8 pt.dead to rights ant the #11 cap fired but the charge did not. When i got to the truck it took 2 more tries to get it to fire. 209 conversions were not available for it then so I sold it for half of what I gave for it and got a T/C Black Diamond.



I feel your pain.
 
I was using a Pyrodex. I had a nice TC Omega but sold it before I ever hunted with it, muzzleloader season is so short here I didn't figure it was worth it buying all the stuff for an inline.
 
You said you fired a few caps, but are you sure your vent was clear after doing this? When I'm poping a cap to clear the vent, I'll point the muzzle of the gun at a blade of grass. If it's clear the firing of the cap will move the blade of grass. You can also push a clean patch down the bore to within an inch or two from the breech. Pop a cap and then remove the patch. If the end of the patch is black then it's open and you're good to go.
 
O yes, didn't mention I was sorry for your misfortune. The same thing happened to me many years ago as a novice M.L. hunter. I was using a Zouave .58 caliber musket. Like you, I had made sure the bore was as clean as you could get it, but failed to make certain nipple/vent hole was clear. The gun didn't fire on two attempts. One was at a nice fat 6-pointer followed by a long spike not ten minutes later. In frustration, I capped again and fired at the dirt bank opposite from where I was sitting. BOOOM!! It went off and an even larger 8-pointer that I hadn't seen ran away. Lesson learned! This all happened over 30 years ago and I didn't quit. Did change over to a flintlock, though. It has a much more reliable ignition.
 
The nipple was as clear as it could be. I fired 2 caps, took the nipple off, cleaned it w/pipe cleaners, poured about 5 grains of powder down the nipple hole to ensure ignition, loaded up, and headed out. That gun has never failed on the first shot. Usually fails around #8 or 9 without cleaning. I think it may be due to the extreme cold in the morning, it was 29F and the warmup later around 50F. I believe there may have been some condensation on the primer or in the hole from the temp change.
 
10mm4me said:
The nipple was as clear as it could be. I fired 2 caps, took the nipple off, cleaned it w/pipe cleaners, poured about 5 grains of powder down the nipple hole to ensure ignition, loaded up, and headed out. That gun has never failed on the first shot. Usually fails around #8 or 9 without cleaning. I think it may be due to the extreme cold in the morning, it was 29F and the warmup later around 50F. I believe there may have been some condensation on the primer or in the hole from the temp change.
After hearing you discribe your cleaning procedure, I'm convinced that the pyrodex was probably your problem. I assume your 5 grain prime was pyrodex also. Had it been real black powder, my bet would have been that it would have gone off on the first attempt. I remember when pyrodex was first introduced. Us old timers were initialy quite interested in its possibilities, but quickly avoided it like the plague. It was hard to ignite, loss strength with time, and seemed to attract moisture rendering it useless. As a replica powder it will work fine, but always keep in mind its limitations. A fresh jar each year might be advisible. It's a shame real black powder has been made so difficult to obtain. I think that if it were more readily availible more would try it and prefer it over all this replica stuff.
 
Wobblyshot1 said:
I remember when pyrodex was first introduced. Us old timers were initialy quite interested in its possibilities, but quickly avoided it like the plague.

I remember that...didn't take me long to trash that stuff.
 
I HATE Pyrodex..It has never worked for me at all.. takes way to much heat to get it to go off..I bought one Jar and that ended up in the Fire Pit!!
 
Wobblyshot1 said:
10mm4me said:
The nipple was as clear as it could be. I fired 2 caps, took the nipple off, cleaned it w/pipe cleaners, poured about 5 grains of powder down the nipple hole to ensure ignition, loaded up, and headed out. That gun has never failed on the first shot. Usually fails around #8 or 9 without cleaning. I think it may be due to the extreme cold in the morning, it was 29F and the warmup later around 50F. I believe there may have been some condensation on the primer or in the hole from the temp change.
After hearing you discribe your cleaning procedure, I'm convinced that the pyrodex was probably your problem. I assume your 5 grain prime was pyrodex also. Had it been real black powder, my bet would have been that it would have gone off on the first attempt. I remember when pyrodex was first introduced. Us old timers were initialy quite interested in its possibilities, but quickly avoided it like the plague. It was hard to ignite, loss strength with time, and seemed to attract moisture rendering it useless. As a replica powder it will work fine, but always keep in mind its limitations. A fresh jar each year might be advisible. It's a shame real black powder has been made so difficult to obtain. I think that if it were more readily availible more would try it and prefer it over all this replica stuff.

While I agree as a whole I ain't going to bame the Proydex. The niple may have been clogged a bit,nipple pick after busting caps to dry one out and to remove the fuze from the pipe cleaners or crud from the caps. On sidelockers I use 3F or Pistol Rifle or 2 f dosent get into the drums as well,and I fill the drum "after" loading to insure it is full of powder.Possible that durning the loading the powder dropped out the drum enough to not catch the fire. I also use RWS Caps

Bummer either way.
 

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