Magnum Blend Hevi Shot Shells ?

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I have tried to look up everything I can about why they are "heavier than lead". I can't find where they are a different metal or coated in anything either. Any ideas why they claim to be heavier than lead?
 
Hevi-Shot is comprised of tungsten alloy, nickel and iron and the pellets are very hard. They are also denser than lead, 12 gram per cubic centimeter, compared to 11 grams for cubic centimeter, thus 10% more dense overall.
 
FWIW, I have used MagBlends a lot over the last 5-10 years and I can assure they are a fine shell for turkey hunting. In my opinion, the best commercially available shell for the 12 GA out there.
 
Andy S.":q0p9ijk9 said:
FWIW, I have used MagBlends a lot over the last 5-10 years and I can assure they are a fine shell for turkey hunting. In my opinion, the best commercially available shell for the 12 GA out there.

agreed, i have used them for about 7 years now and love them.
 
Thanks guys. My work (TN Farmers Coop) distributes for Hevi-Shot so I got some samples to use but was curious on the metal. Being a tungsten alloy would explain the good patterns and the higher cost. I appreciate all the info!
 
slangstrang":dqyg2lig said:
Thanks guys. My work (TN Farmers Coop) distributes for Hevi-Shot so I got some samples to use but was curious on the metal. Being a tungsten alloy would explain the good patterns and the higher cost. I appreciate all the info!

Make sure your choke is compatible. Some chokes are "Lead Only."


"So he cocked both his pistols, spit in the dirt, and walked out in to the street."
 
slangstrang":1fjml8fc said:
Thanks guys. My work (TN Farmers Coop) distributes for Hevi-Shot so I got some samples to use but was curious on the metal. Being a tungsten alloy would explain the good patterns and the higher cost. I appreciate all the info!

Well now if thats the case, they are no good at all. They will ruin your barrel.. Just send them to me to be safe, my barrel is already ruined.
 
Roost 1":11z48r3t said:
slangstrang":11z48r3t said:
Thanks guys. My work (TN Farmers Coop) distributes for Hevi-Shot so I got some samples to use but was curious on the metal. Being a tungsten alloy would explain the good patterns and the higher cost. I appreciate all the info!

Well now if thats the case, they are no good at all. They will ruin your barrel.. Just send them to me to be safe, my barrel is already ruined.

Ha I will keep that in mind Roost!
 
Heavi Shot pellets are 10% heavier than lead? Does that mean there are 10% fewer pellets in each shell?

Example: two ounces of #5 lead shot have 200 pellets
two ounces of #5 heavi shot have 180 pellets

I am just using the pellet counts as an example. I have no idea how many pellets are in a two ounce load of either.

Does the penetration of the heavier pellet offset the number of lead pellet?

Just full of questions! :?
 
TLRanger":3n7q1jgt said:
Heavi Shot pellets are 10% heavier than lead? Does that mean there are 10% fewer pellets in each shell?

Example: two ounces of #5 lead shot have 200 pellets
two ounces of #5 heavi shot have 180 pellets

I am just using the pellet counts as an example. I have no idea how many pellets are in a two ounce load of either.

Does the penetration of the heavier pellet offset the number of lead pellet?

Just full of questions! :?


Mag Blends are a blend of shot sizes 5,6,7's thus the name mag blend. You get more shot, because the #6's and #7's are smaller . As far as s how the mag blend #5 compares to a lead #5 I have no idea.
 
Hevi-Shot came out with a different Mag Blend load this year that has 4, 5 & 7 shot in it as compared to the original 5, 6 & 7 shot load. So be sure you know what your buying.
 
TLRanger":3taewz7c said:
Heavi Shot pellets are 10% heavier than lead? Does that mean there are 10% fewer pellets in each shell?

Example: two ounces of #5 lead shot have 200 pellets
two ounces of #5 heavi shot have 180 pellets
Generally speaking yes, but not exactly 10% every time.

For this example, the following holds true:

Lead #5: 173 pellets/oz
Hevi-Shot #5: 159 pellets/oz

TLRanger":3taewz7c said:
Does the penetration of the heavier pellet offset the number of lead pellet?
As long as your pattern is sufficient at the distances you plan to shoot, I'd say yes.
 
SKFOOTER":1x8k2ref said:
Hevi-Shot came out with a different Mag Blend load this year that has 4, 5 & 7 shot in it as compared to the original 5, 6 & 7 shot load.
Good point SK, but only offered in 12 GA shells at the moment. I have no experience with the new 4x5x7, but don't see how it could be that much better than the original 5x6x7.
 
there was a rumor that they had a large surplus of 4 shot which lead to a new shell coming out that would help alleviate that issue for them. not many people where buying straight 4 shot.
 
And it hasn't been advertised all that much either. It's as if Hevi-Shot hopes the buying public purchases this new loading without noticing that the 5's have been replaced by the 4's.
 
The 4x5x7 blends are $2 a box cheaper than 5x6x7 where I buy my shells (Roger's). I think REN is right. They are trying to ditch some 4 shot.
 
Andy S.":2qg0cyge said:
FWIW, I have used MagBlends a lot over the last 5-10 years and I can assure they are a fine shell for turkey hunting. In my opinion, the best commercially available shell for the 12 GA out there.
They are great turkey shells, and seem to pattern well in most guns, but "best" commercially available shell out there? :mrgreen:

Maybe, but I prefer the Federal Heavyweight in straight #7s, believing they're more "effective" in 12 gauge, and without any doubt, the most effective 20 ga turkey shell "commercially" available. :)
 
I have been shooting them for several years. Alot of our public land here in WTN makes you shoot non-lead shells. When I started hunting that land, thats the first ones i grabbed. I have never looked back. I will say this tho, my step-father went out last yr and all Bass Pro had was Heavyweight #7's. He bought some and killed a bird the next morning. He said those were some great shells too.
 
Andy S.":1y8eci8m said:
timberghost35":1y8eci8m said:
.... Heavyweight #7's.
One can't go wrong with those either.
Regarding those Federal Heavyweight #7's in a 20 ga . . . . . I've seen multiple birds shot over 40 yards with the pellets completely penetrating both sides of the breast. That's certainly way more than enough to shoot thru a turkey's head/neck (which is what most of us are aiming for, just seem to often get a few pellets in the breast). I believe the Federal pellets are 20% heavier than lead.

Those particular #7's are providing energy/penetration comparable to a #5 lead, but with a pattern density comparable to #6 lead. Plus, for me, the Federal HW's #7's have produced more consistent patterns than the MagBlends.

Looking at the irregular & inconsistent sizing of the MagBlend pellets, I'm surprised they pattern as well as they do. Open a MagBlend and you'll find some pellets that appears to be closer to a #2 than a #5, and some that are closer to a #8 than a #7 ---- very inconsistent pellet sizing ---- but they still seem to pattern well in most guns. By contrast, the Federal pellets are perfectly round, just as one would expect.

Despite all our study and analysis, just get them under 40 yards, and it typically really matters little what you're shooting. :tu:

All the "special turkey" loads and chokes have been marketing genius on behalf of the sellers, and truth be known, contribute little to successful turkey hunting. In fact, I've seen many examples of too much choke and too much focus on "long-range" capability causing more losses than gains.
 
SKFOOTER":syrubtgr said:
Hevi-Shot came out with a different Mag Blend load this year that has 4, 5 & 7 shot in it as compared to the original 5, 6 & 7 shot load. So be sure you know what your buying.


From what I have seen this is only in the 3.5" shells. I have not seen a 3" shell with #4s in them.
 
PickettSFHunter":1quddkom said:
What makes the federal heavyweight 7's better than Hevi 7's in a 20?
1. More dense (Federal HW #7's pack almost as much "punch" as Hevi #6)
2. 1 1/2 ounces in a 20 ga Federal Heavyweight ---- that's approaching a 12 ga payload better than any other commercially available 20 ga load.
 
PickettSFHunter":1ga5teo6 said:
What makes the federal heavyweight 7's better than Hevi 7's in a 20?

Lead is a little less than 11 g/cc. It is soft, so it deforms some when fired due to force of set-back and constriction through choke. Not terribly deformed, but not really spherical any more. The deformed pellets have a relatively poor ballistic coefficient, so patterns fall appart more quickly. The "shot lock resin" in the longbeards is said to prevent this pellet deformation thus improving patterns.

"Hevi" shot is 12 g/cc, so just barely heavier than lead. (The old "hevi 13" was 13g/cc). You get slightly more downrange energy, but not much. But, the shot is a hard alloy, so it does not deform when shot. However, many of the pellets are basically deformed when the put it in the shell. Very poor consistency in pellet size and shape, and most of the pellets in the blended shells are 7s or smaller with a few bigger sizes sprinkled in. The good patterns mostly come from large numbers of smaller pellets. They will flat mash turkeys at reasonable ranges, but so will lead. I know they have a faithful following, but IMHO, the magblends are not as great as they are held out to be. But slightly better than most lead (maybe not better than longbeards, but that's a judgment call)

Fed. Heavyweights are 15g/cc and are very uniform, pollished pellets. Because they are nearly 40% heavier than lead, 7s retain plenty of energy at 40yds +. Plus they have an excelent ballistic coefficient and more kinetic energy per square inch (i.e. Penetration) because they have less surface area but equal mass as larger lead or hevi pellets. And there are about 220 HW 7s per oz. More per oz than lead 6s.

TSS is 18g/cc and also perfect pollished spheres. It is nearly 65% heavier than lead, so you can shoot 8s and 9s (260-350 per oz)to 50+ yards, no problem. But it is not available in a commercial shell, so HW 7s are the best thing going for a factory 20 gauge load.
 
Thank you very much. I shoot hevi 13 7's out of my 20 now. Is it the Fed HW that require a non ported choke or choke designed for them? I guess that's all that could keep me switching quickly is if I had to get a new choke. Thanks!


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