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Back 25 years ago when I first starting hunting with a smokepole we use to load 2 .490 lead balls and hunt with them. Talk about putting a deer down, it would turn them inside out..lol.. along came the sabots a few years later and the lead balls I had went into a box in my loading room.. Last night while digging out some hornady pistol bullets I found them.. hmm.. have any of you ever tried this? if so how do they shoot out of modern mls?? thanks!
 
It will work but I don't see the point when one ball will do. Accuracy will most likely suffer as well.

Make dang sure that second ball is firmly against the first one. Any gaps and you might rupture your barrel. In test, it has been shown that leaving a gap is a good way to actually get one to come apart using real black powder.
 
I think it's dangerous. You're really getting on up the pressure curve, and depending on your barrel you could be in for a KB. ML barrels aren't designed for the pressures that centerfires are designed for, the steel used can be very different, and most likely you are exceeding the safety margin for little if any gain. Just because it didn't KB the first time doesn't mean it's not going to do it next time.

*KB = KABOOOOOM!! (a detonation instead of a controlled burn)
 
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I just weighed 2 Hornandy round balls and the ticking patches to hold them. Altogether they weighed right at 360 grains. This is less than the same caliber Hornandy great plains bullet which comes out as 385 grs. As long as your gun is in good shape and you're using sensible powder charges I see no problem. Just keep the balls together and firmly on the powder. I still think any advantages perceived are outweighed by the disadvantages.
 
A guy I used to work with loaded his CVA Blazer that way. I thought he was crazy and that it would blow up on him, but it never did. He killed several deer with it.
 
I was just reading in Handloader magzine Dec issue about doing somting simler. He was loading 3 balls in 44mag, and 45 cases.
 
WestTn Huntin'man said:
I hope you have gotten wiser in 25 years.Sounds like a bad accident waiting to happen.
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You could make the show....1000 ways to die.......def. a way to blow your hand, face and other parts off..... :eek:
 
My loads were 70 grs. of 2f Swiss, felt wad, patched roundball, felt wad, patched roundball. Both balls always impacted about an inch apart. Here we have to use a single projectile for deer hunting so it never saw any use.

Hellacatcher there is a gentleman I know that uses an old "guard load" in his original 45-70 springfield trapdoor rifle. Consists of 40 grs. of 3f Goex, an .030 fiber wad and 3 .457 roundballs stacked on top of each other. Last one is crimped hard a little past halfway.
 
We used to do that alot years ago. We called it the double thumper, you could actually hear two thumps when the round balls hit the deer. Neck shots are fun with a double thumper..
 
I don;t think there is as much risks as some may think. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. I belive it is Hornda that is stacking shote in 410 shells to be used for self defence. Now what is the difference.
 
This thread should be deleted before somebody tries this and gets hurt. Cant believe moderators have let it go this long.
 
Where is the danger??? All you are doing is loading two round balls who combine weight would be less than a lot of bullets used in muzzle loaders as long as use the right amout of powder for the load.
 
hellacatcher said:
Where is the danger??? All you are doing is loading two round balls who combine weight would be less than a lot of bullets used in muzzle loaders as long as use the right amout of powder for the load.
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The danger is putting ideas in peoples heads who may not have as much experience as you or any at all when it comes to reloading, unsafe pressures and a multitude of problems that can arise when varying from the recommended procedures. Let me tell you there are plenty out there who have no concept of what happens when the powder is ignited. They just load and pull the trigger. Let me ask you this, say an uninformed person tries to load two round balls and does not push them tight together leaving an inch of space between, think anything bad could happen?
 
pcrc The same thing would happen if a person doesn't seat any ball against the powder and people like that shouldn't even be using a smoke pole. I have to think anyone loading a muzzel loader would know you have to seat all the way. If they don't like I saythey should not even be using a gun of any kind. Give people some credit. The first time I get to the range I am going to give it a try. These are tried and true procdures so I feel no danger.
 
Are you talking a "modern" in-line ML? If so, the rifling is probably too shallow and too fast for good accuracy with a single round ball, let alone two.

As I said earlier, if there is ANY risk at all, it's too much. If the rifle is designed for solids, a 250-300 gr solid is going to be more accurate, hold it's velocity better, and just flat out out-perform a patched round ball. I've shot and hunted with ML for 25 years, the first 20 exclusively with patched round balls in MLs designed for their use. I see no reason whatsoever to load two.

The only time I've loaded two balls, one on top of the other, was in a pressure test of a newly-built barrel. Then, the barrel was out of the stock, it was lit with a length of cannon fuse, and I was behind a wall.
 
hellacatcher said:
pcrc The same thing would happen if a person doesn't seat any ball against the powder and people like that shouldn't even be using a smoke pole. I have to think anyone loading a muzzel loader would know you have to seat all the way. If they don't like I saythey should not even be using a gun of any kind. Give people some credit. The first time I get to the range I am going to give it a try. These are tried and true procdures so I feel no danger.
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Are you sure the same thing would happen by not seating a single ball against the powder. In that scenario I think worst that would happen be a poor shot. If loading two balls and they are not tight to one another you have created a bore obstruction. Totally different outcome that can be catostrophic. I do however agree with you, if they dont know what they are doing they should not be using the gun. Unfortunately we all know the world does not work that way. I dont know about you but I have purchased close to 100 different firearms through out my life and never have once been asked by the seller if I knew how to use it. I also work as a Range Safety Officer at the local range and it would scare you to death to see the amount of people who come out to shoot and have no idea how to even load their brand new gun. Cant wait to see the first idiot that shows up and tries loading two round balls in his new muzzleloader because he read about on TNDeer.com.
 
pcrc said:
Cant wait to see the first idiot that shows up and tries loading two round balls in his new muzzleloader because he read about on TNDeer.com.
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Guess he would know how to load it if he saw it here.
 
We see barrels now rated for up to 150 grains of powder, like we're shooting buffalo instead of a whitetail. With the improvements in barrel steel over the years, I don't know how dangerous double ball loads would be in the more modern barrels, but I still wouldn't do something like that, even though I know someone that did it in the past.
 
You nay-sayers don't think we just came up with this crap off the top of our heads do you? It was published data at one time. If you'll do some searching you'll still find it.
 
Sounds similar to the "buck and ball" load that was shout out of the Civil War Era rifles only with 2 balls and no buck.
 
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Can you identify the source you are quoting?

It looks vaguely familiar, but I can't place it for sure. I take it with a grain of salt when it says "...While a 1 turn in 48 inches is ideal for a round ball rifle...". It's generally accepted that an ideal twist for round ball is much slower; my 50 is 1 in 60" and my 45 is 1 in 72".
 

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