LBL draw?

[PickettSFHunter]

Any chance to draw LBL with 1 point? My partner backed out on me of course so I could put in for either the weekend hunt or weekday hunt. If one has a better draw odds then I would do that, just can't seem to find draw statistics. Thanks


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[Roost 1]

Will draw either hunt with one point. We've drawn with 3 people but only 1 point on several occasions.

 

[Roost 1]

I need to find someone with a point to let me apply with them.

 

[Andy S.]

^^^Does LBL take lowest of two applicants in a party, ot average the two, as for priority status?

 

[PickettSFHunter]

I may apply for the weekend hunt then because it looks like I could stay a few extra days and hunt the nonquota hunt as well. A 2 day quota hunt just doesn't seem like much time.


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[PickettSFHunter]

^^^Does LBL take lowest of two applicants in a party, ot average the two, as for priority status?

looks like they take a average. Not sure how it works when the average is between 0 and 1 though.


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[Southern Sportsman]

^^^Does LBL take lowest of two applicants in a party, ot average the two, as for priority status?

looks like they take a average. Not sure how it works when the average is between 0 and 1 though.


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We put in last year with 4 people. I was the only one with a point and we got drawn for our first choice. It's a pure average. If anyone has a point it puts you ahead of everyone with no points.

 

[Roost 1]

^^^Does LBL take lowest of two applicants in a party, ot average the two, as for priority status?

Not sure how it's calculated but I've had same results as southern sportsman.

 

[TheLBLman]

^^^Does LBL take lowest of two applicants in a party, ot average the two, as for priority status?

looks like they take a average. Not sure how it works when the average is between 0 and 1 though.

In a party of two, with one having 1 point, the other 0,
this 2-person group's priority is 0.5 for the drawing.

If it were a 4-person group, with only one member having a priority point,
the 4-person group's priority is 0.25 for the drawing.

I may apply for the weekend hunt then because it looks like I could stay a few extra days and hunt the nonquota hunt as well. A 2 day quota hunt just doesn't seem like much time.

Keep in mind that should you kill a turkey on either of the quota turkey hunts,
LBL has traditionally prohibited your hunting on the 1st non-quota week that follows.
Be sure to check on this, as it can change from year to year.

Last but not least,
ALL LBL turkeys count against your statewide bag --- this includes a bird taken during a quota hunt.

AND, even if drawn for a quota hunt,
the season turkey limit for LBL is two (2).

Should you kill a turkey on a quota hunt,
your limit then becomes one (1) for any non-quota hunting.

Sorry this wasn't made clear in this year's turkey hunting information.

 

[TheLBLman]

Backtracking a bit,
for the YOUTH ONLY quota turkey hunt
(and this does NOT include a "youth" drawn to hunt during an "adult" quota hunt)
. . . . . . .
A turkey killed during the YOUTH ONLY quota hunt
is a "bonus" bird, not counting against a youth's statewide bag.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

^^^Does LBL take lowest of two applicants in a party, ot average the two, as for priority status?

looks like they take a average. Not sure how it works when the average is between 0 and 1 though.

In a party of two, with one having 1 point, the other 0,
this 2-person group's priority is 0.5 for the drawing.

If it were a 4-person group, with only one member having a priority point,
the 4-person group's priority is 0.25 for the drawing.

I may apply for the weekend hunt then because it looks like I could stay a few extra days and hunt the nonquota hunt as well. A 2 day quota hunt just doesn't seem like much time.

Keep in mind that should you kill a turkey on either of the quota turkey hunts,
LBL has traditionally prohibited your hunting on the 1st non-quota week that follows.
Be sure to check on this, as it can change from year to year.

Last but not least,
ALL LBL turkeys count against your statewide bag --- this includes a bird taken during a quota hunt.

AND, even if drawn for a quota hunt,
the season turkey limit for LBL is two (2).

Should you kill a turkey on a quota hunt,
your limit then becomes one (1) for any non-quota hunting.

Sorry this wasn't made clear in this year's turkey hunting information.

I'm looking at the 2018 turkey hunting fact sheet. What I see for the TN portion says "Two turkeys with visible beard;only one turkey may be taken during each of the 7 day hunts"

I don't see where it addresses what happens if you get one during a quota hunt and then a 7 day non quota hunt starts thereafter?


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[TheLBLman]

I'm looking at the 2018 turkey hunting fact sheet. What I see for the TN portion says "Two turkeys with visible beard;only one turkey may be taken during each of the 7 day hunts"

I don't see where it addresses what happens if you get one during a quota hunt and then a 7 day non quota hunt starts thereafter?

Therein lies the problem:

The fact sheet was rushed to the printer, distributed before it was carefully proofed and scrutinized for ambiguity.

There will be some new additional info put out before turkey season opens.

In the meantime, rest assured your birds count against the statewide bag, and your spring turkey limit on LBL is no more than two (2)
no matter how you slice it or dice it

 

[PickettSFHunter]

I'm looking at the 2018 turkey hunting fact sheet. What I see for the TN portion says "Two turkeys with visible beard;only one turkey may be taken during each of the 7 day hunts"

I don't see where it addresses what happens if you get one during a quota hunt and then a 7 day non quota hunt starts thereafter?

Therein lies the problem:

The fact sheet was rushed to the printer, distributed before it was carefully proofed and scrutinized for ambiguity.

There will be some new additional info put out before turkey season opens.

In the meantime, rest assured your birds count against the statewide bag, and your spring turkey limit on LBL is no more than two (2)
no matter how you slice it or dice it

Got ya. I get that part. What I need to understand is whether or not I can take one bird during a quota hunt and another on the non quota immediately following that.


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[Roost 1]

LBL, where did you get this info? I have been hearing for a couple years that the quota hunt birds were not gonna be a bonus bird, however I have not heard that the change has taken place. I'll still try to hunt just because I enjoy hunting LBL.

 

[AT Hiker]

So can you kill both LBL birds on your quota hunt, assuming you draw?


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[SKFOOTER]

No. Only one bird limit for the Quota Hunts. And with them no longer being bonus birds, that could reduce the number of applicants. Also, I spoke with a John Westbrook at the LBL office and he assured me that their reasoning for making the Tennessee Quota Hunt birds non-bonus birds to mirror the Kentucky LBL portion was due to attempting to improving the quality of the hunts much like the deer quota hunts. Their goal is to allow the younger bucks and gobblers to have a greater chance of reaching maturity.

 

[AT Hiker]

Thanks!


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[TheLBLman]

Also, I spoke with a John Westbrook at the LBL office and he assured me that their reasoning for making the Tennessee Quota Hunt birds non-bonus birds to mirror the Kentucky LBL portion was due to attempting to improving the quality of the hunts much like the deer quota hunts. Their goal is to allow the younger bucks and gobblers to have a greater chance of reaching maturity.

Just to add a little to this . . . . .

Since this is "publicly owned" federal land (that at least for the present allows sport hunting)
the "average" hunter may be provided a better opportunity to participate
when the more avid & accomplished hunters may limit out sooner elsewhere, or may just be more reluctant to shoot a jake if it's not a "bonus" to their statewide bag.

This statement mainly pertains to a growing number of accomplished turkey hunters who typically do limit out statewide,
sometimes in multiple states. In times past, those extra birds they killed did reduce the opportunity of less accomplished hunters to kill "a" turkey at LBL. This change in policy is increasing the opportunity for less accomplished and younger hunters.
Again, note the "Youth" quota hunt remains a "bonus" bird.

Making the LBL birds no longer "bonus" to the statewide bags may sound a bit like "socialism"
but just keep in mind there may be more hunters than there are bearded turkeys in any given year,
and there may not be enough birds even to be possible for every hunter to kill even one.

This new policy makes the opportunity a little better for everyone to kill "a" turkey,
while still providing a reasonably generous 2-bird annual limit on LBL for everyone,
even those who will not be fortunate enough to be drawn for one of the two quota hunts.

The appeal of the quota hunts is they precede the non-quota hunts,
thus the quota hunt participants get the first opportunities at the LBL birds.
But that's it.
They are no longer "bonus" birds as they were in the past (except for youth participating in the "Youth Only" quota hunt).

 

[Andy S.]

LBL, where did you get this info? I have been hearing for a couple years that the quota hunt birds were not gonna be a bonus bird, however I have not heard that the change has taken place.

If you compare this years 2018 Fact sheet to last year's 2017 Fact Sheet, you will notice this subtle difference for TN:

2018 - Bonus Turkey: Youth Quota Hunt Only

2017 - Bonus Turkey: Turkey harvested on a quota hunt

Based on this alone, I infer that the only "bonus" turkey for TN portion this year is on the Youth Quota Hunt, and all other birds on TN portion will count as a statewide bird.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

Got my app in for the weekend hunt


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