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I get email notifications whenever Bama has extra tickets for sale, which usually happens when visiting teams either can't or don't expect to sell their allotted tickets. In addition to the scrub out-of-conference games, they're also offering tickets to Ole Miss and Tennessee. With the current fiasco and self-imposed sanctions in Oxford I can understand Rebel fans not wanting to travel, but UT not selling out just doesn't make sense. Every TSIO I've seen in T-town has had the Orange-and-White descending en masse, and it's been a lot of fun. Is there something going on in K-ville this year that I haven't heard about?
 
Might just be a form of a temper tantrum. Reading a lot of the boards There are still some sour grapes about losing to SC and to Vandy


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TreyB":2cg29qa3 said:
nitro_z17":2cg29qa3 said:
If we lose to vandy again he's gone.
Agree

Most people will probably agree that Vandy played much better than their record reflected .

Truth be told on the flip side of the coin Vols played worse than their record reflected IMHO.

With that said it's a new season . I've not seen any recruiting from Vandy or Vols that lead me to think they are going to set the field on fire .Vols have seemed to lose the most in terms of top tier personnel. Not sure how that will factor in but it can't be great for the team .

Time will tell .


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Unless the wheels entirely come off where Butch has a losing season, Butch will be the head coach for the 2018 season. The improvements he has made across the board will get him to 2018. If he hasn't produced after that season, there may be a change.

Only the folks that don't understand football think the Vanderbilt loss was worthy of firing. Long live the negavols.
 
scn":vs2rw8p1 said:
Unless the wheels entirely come off where Butch has a losing season, Butch will be the head coach for the 2018 season. The improvements he has made across the board will get him to 2018. If he hasn't produced after that season, there may be a change.

Only the folks that don't understand football think the Vanderbilt loss was worthy of firing. Long live the negavols.
Wasn't so much just the Vandy loss. But the entire season was kind of a wreck. I know.... injuries.
 
As hard as it is for some to understand, yes, injuries. By the time they played Vandy, they had four of their defense that started the first game still playing. And one, Sutton, was at about 60-70% due to his injury, but was still better than the next option. When you end up starting a third string DE at DT, you aren't likely to beat any SEC team, including Vandy.

For any reasonable fan, the 2016 season gets the grade of incomplete. It should have been the year to "judge" Butch, but no coach could have done much with the injuries they dealt with.
 
Game attendance as a whole is on the decline, and has been for years, but I'm sure you knew that ;) :D !

Throw into the equation the letdown of last season, and the uncertainty of this year's team, and many who have traveled in the past are deciding to save the $$$ of the ever-increasing costs for something else.

Let me know if I can help further :D !
 
PalsPal":hn36c6bp said:
Game attendance as a whole is on the decline, and has been for years, but I'm sure you knew that ;) :D !

Throw into the equation the letdown of last season, and the uncertainty of this year's team, and many who have traveled in the past are deciding to save the $$$ of the ever-increasing costs for something else.

exactly!
 
scn":74f1y3oi said:
As hard as it is for some to understand, yes, injuries. By the time they played Vandy, they had four of their defense that started the first game still playing. And one, Sutton, was at about 60-70% due to his injury, but was still better than the next option. When you end up starting a third string DE at DT, you aren't likely to beat any SEC team, including Vandy.

For any reasonable fan, the 2016 season gets the grade of incomplete. It should have been the year to "judge" Butch, but no coach could have done much with the injuries they dealt with.
Injuries are part of it. The App st game was a full roster. They played that way the entire season. So no I'm not buying that excuse. Sorry just my opinion. He recruited to much depth. Plus the offense was the strong point of last years team.
 
we lost to vandy
that lost to mizzou
that lost to mtsu
that lost to texts-san antonio...my god I'm a vol fan lifer but what does is it take for fans to stop proping up this bozo?

VANDY!!!!!!!!!!! in his 4th year(best team) :bash:
 
Only 3 SEC teams won 9 or more games last year.
And it supposed to be the best conference in football.

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nitro_z17":3igqfw4i said:
we lost to vandy
that lost to mizzou
that lost to mtsu
that lost to texts-san antonio...my god I'm a vol fan lifer but what does is it take for fans to stop proping up this bozo?

VANDY!!!!!!!!!!! in his 4th year(best team) :bash:

So because Vandy lost to MO who had some bad losses they couldn't be a decent team?

Vandy drilled MTSU itself, drilled Ole Miss, beat GA in Athens, lost to SC by 3, and lost to the East Conf. champ Gators by 7.

None of this points to Vandy as being a powerhouse, but they were a decent, well-coached team in 2016. Too many Vol "fans" live in yester-year where TN could name the score it wanted to lay on Vandy. The gap is nowhere as large today.

TN was atrocious on defense at the end of the year. While some of that certainly rests on on Jones and his coaches, it has been proven often over the years that you don't win much in the SEC without decent line play on defense. When you lose all of your interior defensive line starters to injury or kicking one off the team for "rules" violations, you probably are going to suck on defense and the Vols certainly did.

There is no doubt that 2016 was Butch's best team to start the year. He also started 5-0 before losing to A&M in overtime. In the process, they lost a bunch of starters. I think it was 20 plus that lost significant playing time, including five of their most important on defense. Losing Evan Berry, a pre-season all american at kick returner for the latter part of the season was also significant. And, they played a schedule that the NCAA rated at the end of the year as the #1 toughest schedule in all of college football. To have a winning record against that schedule with the players they lost to injuries doesn't make it the disaster year that some Vol "fans" try to claim.

I think some Vol "fans" must have started their history with the Vols during one of their two historically best runs. Yes, it was fun during a lot of Fulmer's best years. 45-5 in the SEC is a Vol mark that may never be repeated by our Vols. But, such "fans" ought to take a minute and go back and look at the record outside of the glory years to understand that the Vols are not a 10-2 team year in and year out. Take a look at the struggles favorite son Johnny Majors had when he came to TN after winning a NC and being named national coach of the year. Even with rules that allowed him to turn over his roster much quicker, it took him 5 years to have any success. Think how much fun it was to sit in Neyland to watch the Vols lose to North Texas State.

I'm under no delusion that Butch is the second coming of the General, or will ever be at Fulmer's level. But, to call him a Bozo shows a total lack of understanding of the job he has done in rebuilding the Vols from the Dooley debacle.
 
nitro_z17":205ju9bo said:
we lost to vandy
that lost to mizzou
that lost to mtsu
that lost to texts-san antonio...my god I'm a vol fan lifer but what does is it take for fans to stop proping up this bozo?

VANDY!!!!!!!!!!! in his 4th year(best team) :bash:
So Pitt is the real national champion because they were the only team to beat Clemson.

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nitro_z17":1pxsxj0j said:
i agree with several points. but i just think butch has peaked. maybe I'm wrong

I'm certainly not saying you are wrong. Butch may have taken them as far as he can take them. If so, I am appreciative of what he has done to turn things around from the dumpster fire he inherited. With a "normal" injury year, 2016 should have given a pretty good indication on whether Butch was going to be contending for championships in the SEC. He had the Vols as the SEC east champs at the start of the fourth quarter of the Vandy game, so the expectations lasted long into the season. I think we all know that even if they had held on that Bama would have boat raced them again, so there wouldn't have been an SEC championship. I really don't see anyone except Bama as the SEC champs until Saban leaves.

Unfortunately, in having to find a new starting QB and replace what he lost to the NFL, I see no way that 2017 is a "championship" type year to really judge his coaching ability. That is why, unless it really turns bad this year, 2018 will be his year to either get it done or not. All bets are off if 2018 isn't a really good year.
 
CBJ may have peaked I said last week 9-4 may be the best record we see from a CBJ team....

I also agree with SCN I also stated last week CBJ has earned the right to have at least 2 more years in Knoxville with this entirely new coaching staff, New QB & so on. for pulling us from the 5-7 crap team they were to now being upset over back to back 9-4 teams with bowl wins & wins over teams like UF & Georgia. I mean being upset over 9-4 and bowl wins alone should tell you how far CBJ has took this program in his time being in Knoxville.
 
PalsPal":19h6fojq said:
Game attendance as a whole is on the decline, and has been for years, but I'm sure you knew that ;) :D !

Not really. I've seen that sports attendance overall has been down the last couple of years, but I was under the impression y'all were consistently selling out Neyland Stadium on a regular basis, and you definitely traveled well the last time the Vols came to T-town, so I was really surprised by the (lack of) ticket sales. Is the same thing happening on the home-game side? Are season ticket sales down for the year? I know that they are with Ole Miss. With their current fiasco I went from deep-in-the-waiting-list last year to easily holding 25 yard line seats, 50th row this year; but of course the situation in Oxford can't be compared with whatever dissatisfaction may be going on in Knoxville.

Whatever the reason, I'm sad to see the traveling falling off...I think visiting fans add a lot to the atmosphere of the game.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/college-footba ... ll-season/

"1. Butch Jones, Tennessee: In the end, I had to go with Jones ahead of Kelly on this list. Unlike Kelly, Jones doesn't have an appearance in a national title game or a Fiesta Bowl on his resume at Tennessee. All Jones really has on his Vols resume at this point are a lot of expectations that his teams have failed to live up to.
Now, I don't really hold last season against Jones. Tennessee entered the year as the popular pick to win the SEC East, and for the first half of the season, the Vols were playing like it. Then the injuries came, and they kept coming. After starting the season 5-0, the Vols finished the regular season at 8-4, including a loss to Vanderbilt to finish the regular season.
Through four seasons Jones is only 14-18 in conference play, and that's just not good enough.
Further complicating matters for Jones is that he'll have a new boss this year too. Tennessee recently hired John Currie to be its athletic director, and while Currie has spent plenty of time in Knoxville, he has no connection to Jones. If the Vols don't take a significant step forward in 2017, the next step Jones takes will likely be out the door."

A lot of truth in this story and probably written by someone without a bias one way or the other.
 

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