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My uncle brought this gun down today when he came for Turkey Day. I have no idea what kind of gun it is or what caliber, neither does he. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me out here. It has Japenese or Chinese writing on it.

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looks like a restocked Arisaka, but the bolt handle on those are straight. most of those WW2 rifles were chambered for 6.5 jap. you could see if it will chamber a 6.5 jap.
 
We tried a 30-06 and 308/7.62x51 and they was too long!We think.I'll have to have him get some and try it out.What would one of these be worth?
 
cecil30-30 said:
We tried a 30-06 and 308/7.62x51 and they was too long!We think.I'll have to have him get some and try it out.What would one of these be worth?

if its a 6.5 jap then its a model 38, my book says $350. if it is a 7.7 (303 caliber) then its a model 99, $225. BUT if it is a 7x57 then it is a rare rifle, about $1500. if that is the original stock, then it may be a rare rifle as well. there should be some kind of a symbol, and japanese characters on the reciever.

the model 38's are strong actions, the model 99's are crap made of softer cast steel. hope this helps.
 
The Jap rifles had a flower (chrysanthemum) stamped on the receiver but most were filed/ground off after the surrender. The ones with the flower still visible are worth more than with it ground off.
 
Hogbear said:
The Jap rifles had a flower (chrysanthemum) stamped on the receiver but most were filed/ground off after the surrender. The ones with the flower still visible are worth more than with it ground off.
Bingo!!!It has a flower on the reciver with some Jap writing below it.
 
cecil30-30 said:
Hogbear said:
The Jap rifles had a flower (chrysanthemum) stamped on the receiver but most were filed/ground off after the surrender. The ones with the flower still visible are worth more than with it ground off.
Bingo!!!It has a flower on the reciver with some Jap writing below it.

definately an Arisaka model 38, 6.5x50mm jap. i dont believe the model 99 had the mum stamp. i wish i could luck out and find a WW2 katana sword, that someone doesnt know what they have. cause i dont have a million bucks to buy one!!
 
WTM said:
cecil30-30 said:
Hogbear said:
The Jap rifles had a flower (chrysanthemum) stamped on the receiver but most were filed/ground off after the surrender. The ones with the flower still visible are worth more than with it ground off.
Bingo!!!It has a flower on the reciver with some Jap writing below it.

definately an Arisaka model 38, 6.5x50mm jap. i dont believe the model 99 had the mum stamp. i wish i could luck out and find a WW2 katana sword, that someone doesnt know what they have. cause i dont have a million bucks to buy one!!

My brother has one of the 99s in the 7.7 Jap and it still has the Chrysanthmum intact so don't use that to judge what caliber it might be. The later in the war it was the more cheaply made and the fewer features and machining they had. You should be able to tell what the caliber is at the muzzle. There's quite a bit of difference between the two.
 
Whelen Man said:
WTM said:
cecil30-30 said:
Hogbear said:
The Jap rifles had a flower (chrysanthemum) stamped on the receiver but most were filed/ground off after the surrender. The ones with the flower still visible are worth more than with it ground off.
Bingo!!!It has a flower on the reciver with some Jap writing below it.

definately an Arisaka model 38, 6.5x50mm jap. i dont believe the model 99 had the mum stamp. i wish i could luck out and find a WW2 katana sword, that someone doesnt know what they have. cause i dont have a million bucks to buy one!!

My brother has one of the 99s in the 7.7 Jap and it still has the Chrysanthmum intact so don't use that to judge what caliber it might be. The later in the war it was the more cheaply made and the fewer features and machining they had. You should be able to tell what the caliber is at the muzzle. There's quite a bit of difference between the two.

maybe the newer model 99's has the mum, but i think toward the end of the war they did not. exactly right about guaging the caliber, take a caliper and measure the muzzle. if it is a 6.5 then it is a model 38 which are some very strong actions, if it is a 7.7 then it is a model 99 and are crap. the model 99 was an upgrade to the 38 because they could use their machine gun cartridges.

if he only paid 100 bucks then he is a couple of hundred ahead.
 
I've had two 38s and one 99 over the years. The tooling and barrel on the 99 was much better than the 6.5mm Model 38. The barrel on the 99 was chromed and is still as bright today as the day it was manufactured. The values on these guns are typically for unaltered guns. Since this gun had the stock "sporterized" its value will be reduced. I would say that this gun is worth in the $150 range.
 

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