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Let me start by saying that I'm not asking for sympathy or reassurances, but maybe just want to vent and definitely let someone else learn from my frustrations.

I've been saying for a while that this was the last time. I kept hoping that they'd fix it, but apparently they don't plan to. Yuchi WMA is where I shot my first buck 19 years ago. I don't think that I've shot another buck there since, but I love the land and it holds great memories with friends and family over the years. I've killed a ton of does out there, but other hunters weren't doing that enough so they made it earn-a-buck to reduce the overpopulation and did not extend it by even a day. I have never liked that, and have had legal bucks walk by before I could kill my doe and not been able to kill a buck. It sounds like a war zone on the first day of the hunt, and people make questionable decisions to get their antlerless deer on the ground as quickly as possible. It's already 4 points on one side, so lots of rules for a short hunt that now takes 4 years between draws. I put in for one last time to hunt the ridges and hoped that I would not see other hunters back there, with plans to pivot to something else in the future…

Got setup over an hour before daybreak on the ridge top just between a main saddle and a secondary saddle. Deer immediately started blowing behind me, but they moved off. I heard more move through behind me, but they didn't blow. 5 minutes before daybreak I could hear the herd coming through the main saddle; or should I say "herds", as it was two groups of deer that I could see in the dark, but couldn't get a shot on yet. Lead doe from the second group got downwind of meat about 25yd and blew. Deer scattered, and one stood broadside at 15yd until 1 minute before legal light, then trotted off.

As it got light I could see headlamps coming in from my south and north a couple hundred yards away. Yes, headlamps on after legal shooting light. The deer stirred around in the bottom and on the adjacent ridge face, but I couldn't fully make them out and they moved off in time. No biggie, as I feel confident in my location on a major escape route. Maybe 30 minutes later I hear what sounded like deer coming across the ridge through the main saddle. I get my gun up at the ready, but not pointing at it the noise until I can verify what it is. The wind swirls some as I see a deer head pop up over the saddle (I have a good backing behind it due to the shape of the topography) and the deer has its ears up at the alert. From all that I can tell, this is an antlerless deer, but it's on the other side of a blow down and I wait until it comes into a good opening in the blowdown. As it steps into the opening in the blowdown it locks up and sticks its nose up testing the wind. I can clearly see that it has no antler on the side closest to me, and I'm not going to look a 20yd-chip-shot-gift-horse in the mouth, so I put my crosshairs on the point of the front shoulder (quartering to) and squeeze.

Not sure what happened, but at the shot the deer lunged and ran. Later I would find that my shot clipped the brisket and offside rear leg, guessing because the shot opening was not as clear as I had thought. The deer ran through the saddle, then turned and ran away from me, stopping at 75yd quartering away. I put the crosshairs on the opening that I had, squeezed, and it dropped. It kicked for about 20 seconds and stopped for good. I took a picture and let my family know that I had my "antlerless" deer down.

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I sat there and watched all around for a buck, thinking if I would take another antlerless deer back there or not. I heard animals move through behind me, but never could see anything other than squirrels for the next hour or so. I heard several gunshots nearby and was starting to feel like I may want to get out of there sooner rather than later.

A short while later I hear deer running down the ridge behind me, making their way to the secondary saddle to my right. I heard a human "MEH!" trying to stop them, and I realized that at least one of those hunters was within about 175yd behind me. One of the bigger deer stopped in an opening to my right at 50yd, I squatted down, put it on its shoulder and it dropped out of site . I gave it just a few minutes and went to make sure that it was down, and it was: big doe that kicked down the ridge just a ways. I decided to go back and start with the first one.

I walked up to the first one that I shot and I could see that it was half-buried in the leaves. I saw that it had a nub and started to check it in, but came to the part where it asks about antlers above hairline, so I turned it over. And found this.
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Great morning just turned bad. This deer isn't legal. I had no signal back there to call the GW, so instead of quartering it I gutted it to drag it out and carry it in to report myself. I have a bad back and don't like to drag deer far. Quartering them and carrying them through rough terrain is a little more work on the front end, but saves a lot of wear and tear on the back end. I didn't feel right doing that with this deer in case they wanted to get some more biological information or something. I unloaded my rifle magazine and told myself that I was done hunting.

I went to the other deer and started quartering it. Took several breaks to rest my back, and about 3/4 of the way through I hear a gunshot from the top of the ridge. Scared me pretty good, but I kept working. Then I heard deer running and the hunter yelling "MEH!" then "Hey! Hey! Hey!" from the other ridge about 150yd away. I figured that a buck was running somewhere that they were trying to stop, but not sure where.

Then I heard it… deer walking on the ridge towards me. I look up and a big 8pt buck is trailing a doe RIGHT TOWARDS ME! They stop 25yd away, not concerned about me at all. Then, BANG! I hear a shot and realize that the hunter is shooting at that buck! I'm kinda dumbfounded and duck behind a tree. The buck and doe come to within 15yd away and stare at me broadside. I couldn't in good conscience shoot at the deer. I was basically hiding behind a tree trying not to get shot. They eventually went over the ridge and o heard a bunch of more shots afterwards. No idea of either of them got shot or not.

I finished quartering the doe, put it in my pack, and the hunters came over "trailing" the buck and doe. They said that they couldn't see me, which I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on, but they had to know I was there. I let them know that they had missed. The deer were close enough for me to tell that the buck had lice or mange or some other skin condition, but no bullet hole.

I took the deer out and to the ranger station. I told the GW what was up. He agreed that the single antler grew back at an angle and would be hard to see with the deer's ears up. He said that he would not issue a citation since I was honest about it and "told on myself," but that I was done hunting for this time. I told him that was already my plan, and thank you for not righting a citation.

Who am I frustrated with you may ask? I don't know. I felt pressure to get an antlerless deer on the ground, and did it safely. I guess I could have checked for another antler better, but I was really confident that it was antlerless; obviously I was wrong. I had planned to go away from Yuchi differently from this, and definitely didn't want the fireworks all around me. If I would have been written a citation then I wouldn't have been mad at the GW, so I'm glad that he was understanding. But I came close to having the opportunity that I wanted from this hunt, but at the same time it was my worst hunt ever.

I can't even decide if I want to hunt anymore this season at all. I have one more statewide buck tag and two more doe tags in my unit. I may be able to hunt with family or friends and I won't turn down that opportunity. The past few seasons have definitely had more excited anticipation before season comes, and then don't get to hunt the amount or way that I want and have felt a little bit deflated. I've enjoyed my western hunts with limited success more than my sporadic opportunities to hunt locally, and I guess it was just because I could allow myself to get away. That has been more cathartic than any whitetail buck locally could bring me. For several reasons I don't think that I will be able to swing a western hunts next year, so this is doubly disappointing. Work is very busy, and letting my brain get away in the limited times that my body is in the woods is very difficult to do.
 
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At least you were honest .
I hear you. But it's not anything special, it's just what people should do. Believe it or not, the other hunter was trying to convince me to just leave it. He said that he'd not say anything. But I told him that I'd know.

I've always told my kids that "when you mess up you fess up," and I've had to model that to them a few times. This is another example of that, and I hope that they learn from that. Their daddy isn't perfect, and doesn't claim to be, but he tries to do what's right. Hopefully that leaves a lasting impression on them, and shows them that I really believe what I say I do.
 
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Hate that your hunt ended that way. I too have hunted Yuchi and love that it is just a short drive from home, but hate the fact that it is earn a Buck.
Your "Buck" is just barely a legal Buck as defined in the hunting guide which states that at least one antler be at least 3" above the hair line.
Yours was an honest mistake and i'm proud you owned up to it and glad the GW cut you some slack but I hate that your hunt was cut short.
 
Wait, let me understand this; You have to wait for another day to go after a buck? Yea, I know these were out of sequence, though intent was accomplished, but what I don't understand is why even contemplate (by the others) to leave the buck? Had it been the doe first, would that have been ok, or would it still be an issue having two opposite sex deer on the same day?
 
Wait, let me understand this; You have to wait for another day to go after a buck? Yea, I know these were out of sequence, though intent was accomplished, but what I don't understand is why even contemplate (by the others) to leave the buck? Had it been the doe first, would that have been ok, or would it still be an issue having two opposite sex deer on the same day?
You are allowed three deer on this hunt. All can be killed on the same day. But....the first deer has to be a Doe. Then you can either kill another Doe or a Buck but the buck must have at least 4 points on one side. Clear as mud aint it lol.
 
Wait, let me understand this; You have to wait for another day to go after a buck? Yea, I know these were out of sequence, though intent was accomplished, but what I don't understand is why even contemplate (by the others) to leave the buck? Had it been the doe first, would that have been ok, or would it still be an issue having two opposite sex deer on the same day?
Yuchis rules are:
- Bucks must have at least 4 points on one side, or be 16" or wider
AND
- You must shoot an antlerless deer before shooting a buck that meets the above criteria

If you can accomplish it all in one day or two then that's fine. But you must shoot the antlerless deer first, and the buck must meet those criteria. It's definitely not a hunt that I'd go out of my way for, but it's close for me and I have a lot of memories out there.
 
Glad you escaped the gunfire first and foremost. Thank you for being an honest hunter secondly. Ethics is defined by what we do when we don't have an audience. I've been where you are as well- accidentally killing a young buck that I shot fo a doe (was legal where I was hunting) and it really took the wind out of my sails for a few weeks too.

I hate that it ended up costing you an opportunity that may not come back around for several years if at all though.
 
You sir have integrity and your children will better from your actions.
Dad is definitely an honorable man. 👍
I appreciate your kind words, but I really don't want any to get the impression that I'm tooting my own horn or posting this to virtue signal. I have many flaws and faults and weaknesses, and anything good in me comes from Jesus in me. Hopefully someone will learn from my mistakes and that doing the right thing when you mess up USUALLY has lower ramifications than covering things up. Maybe some people will also think a little bit harder before applying for this hunt, and if they do (or one like it) then verify 100% that the deer doesn't have ANY antlers.
 
I appreciate your kind words, but I really don't want any to get the impression that I'm tooting my own horn or posting this to virtue signal. I have many flaws and faults and weaknesses, and anything good in me comes from Jesus in me. Hopefully someone will learn from my mistakes and that doing the right thing when you mess up USUALLY has lower ramifications than covering things up. Maybe some people will also think a little bit harder before applying for this hunt, and if they do (or one like it) then verify 100% that the deer doesn't have ANY antlers.
No one will suggest that your tooting your own horn.
What you did was a very good lesson for the children.
It's good to hear. 👍
 
You are allowed three deer on this hunt. All can be killed on the same day. But....the first deer has to be a Doe. Then you can either kill another Doe or a Buck but the buck must have at least 4 points on one side. Clear as mud aint it lol.
Yuchis rules are:
- Bucks must have at least 4 points on one side, or be 16" or wider
AND
- You must shoot an antlerless deer before shooting a buck that meets the above criteria

If you can accomplish it all in one day or two then that's fine. But you must shoot the antlerless deer first, and the buck must meet those criteria. It's definitely not a hunt that I'd go out of my way for, but it's close for me and I have a lot of memories out there.
Ah, ok, got it now, no matter the sequence, the buck was not regulation. I wouldn't hunt there, or anywhere with similar rules. I have an issue with the whole point and inch thing, I just check if it has antlers or not, before I shoot either one.
 
Ah, ok, got it now, no matter the sequence, the buck was not regulation. I wouldn't hunt there, or anywhere with similar rules. I have an issue with the whole point and inch thing, I just check if it has antlers or not, before I shoot either one.
I'm definitely not a trophy hunter either. I have become more selective over the years, but I kill what trips my trigger. I like the experience, the meat, then the antlers are way down the list. I really like hunting the steep knobs and ridges at Yuchi regardless of killing something or not. I'll still put my son in for the youth hunt, as the youth hunt doesn't have all the silly rules
 
Yes. I was expecting them to confiscate it, but I got to keep it. It will be going into the freezer.
Good deal, sucks it happened the way it did and weve all made mistakes, im just glad they were understanding and didn't punish you for doing the right the thing. Hold your head up buddy and dont let it get ya down, congrats on filling the freezer!!!
 
Wow. This is pretty dangerous.

There were 50 permits for this hunt, and the upland zone is only 1500 acres, with maybe 1200 wooded rough guess.

That's one hunter every 24 wooded acres.
 
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Hey man kudos to you for dragging that thing in and being honest. Like others said, many would have shot the 8 pt., and left that spike laying or knocked that spike off and said... it was antlerless.

as many of us know public land adds an obstacle (people). It's frustrating for sure, but unfortunately it is part of it.

sounds to me like you have a good spot, so who knows in a few years it may still produce and you may get a buck.
 
Frustrating for sure and absolutely worthy of a good venting. Sounds like a disappointing situation but as you said there's really nobody to blame. You handled it the way you're supposed to. I feel for you and hope your luck turns around. It could happen to any of us.

Otherwise the crowded and careless hunters sound terribly dangerous! Accident waiting to happen. By your description it seems like a high odds hunt but man I don't know that I would want to hunt in a situation like that again.
 
Otherwise the crowded and careless hunters sound terribly dangerous! Accident waiting to happen. By your description it seems like a high odds hunt but man I don't know that I would want to hunt in a situation like that again.
It was an experience similar to the OP's on public land - actually heard bullets zip past me - that caused me to decide that buying our own hunting land was the only way to go. Best decision I ever made. Luckily, that was back when land in very rural areas was still cheap.
 
It was an experience similar to the OP's on public land - actually heard bullets zip past me - that caused me to decide that buying our own hunting land was the only way to go. Best decision I ever made. Luckily, that was back when land in very rural areas was still cheap.
Agree BSK. I've got a couple of parcels of public land I hunt, but it's very rare and normally only this time of the season when most have given up. It's also difficult to access for most hunters.
I always dreamed of having my own farm, so my wife and I worked 3 jobs each (including running a full-time business) when we first married, and we ended up buying our own farm in our early thirties. It took some sacrifice, but it was well worth it long term. I do feel for hunters that only have public land as an option.
 

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