Feeding Deer

BSK

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some state biolagist say in is no good some sy it is ok. just about all of the private land game biologist say it is very important to give your deer additionl feed for max herd helth,


That would not be an accurate statement. Any private land biologists worth their salt will have read the best research available and realize the dangers of supplemental feeding. There's a huge difference between feeding deer supplemental feed from a feeder and providing the best nutrition possible through improving the habitat. One is natural while the other is highly unnatural. Unnatural processes WILL come back to burn us. I guarantee it.

No offense to any state or private biologist, but there is a big difference between someone who has a degree in wildlife biology and those biologist that are involved in research. There were many, many biologist who believed Traditional Management was the best and only way to manage deer until research biologists recently proved them wrong.

The very best research not only shows the benefits that can be achieved through supplemental feeding, but also the very negative consequences of supplemental feeding. It's a double-edged sword. It can help AND hurt, and from my perspective it's the long-term "hurt" that is more important than the short-term "help."



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Darkthirty II

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I get the feeling that this will never be settled, of all my years i have hunted and been around those that baited...uh i mean supplemented feeding programs. I'm yet to see it, therefore it may be selfish, but I am not alone. If my state allows it, and there are continuously growing numbers of deer or stabilized herds, then they must know something. If I saw it as something detrimental to the herd, then I would rethink the situation, but as for right now we can simply agree to disagree.
 

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How in the world did all those deer survive without supplemental feeding and food plots for all those years prior to us helping them out?

If we never fed them or planted food plots the deer would do just fine.

Feeders and food plots to me is for one thing - attracting and holding deer on certain properties - in order to hunt them.

Nothing wrong with that persay, but lets call it what it is.
 

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lots of emosions here.i am not look for a fight. i am a lover my wife is the fighter, she has been in the airforce for 17 years. i have planted trees shrubs and food plots for two reasons, grow bigger deer and kill more bigger deer.
 

kevin mays

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We grow our own corn. We feed. We feed corn. In a feeder and in the field. We leave 120 acres of corn standing not to mention our other plots we have. Sunflowers, millets, soy beans, peas, buckwheat. We also use troph rocks and other minerals.

Supplemental feedings have been horrible on our deer herd look at the pics below.

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As you guys can see these deer are going to kick over any minute from malnutrition and disease so you shouldnt ever supplement your herd cause they might end up looking like this!!!!!!!

Now if you want to see what alot of ducks look like we got that too. Click here for the video. Its worth the wait.

http://www.arkansashuntingproperty.com/Duckvideo.html


Here is a still pic from the video
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We winter 250,000 mallards on our place and last year they ate about 1,000,000 lbs of corn on our place.
 

wcsd462

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Kevin.....NICE pic's!
I dont see the difference either, they are eating together whether at a feeder or in a corn field.
As dry as it is in Tennessee right now wouldnt this be the time for feeding? Everything else has burned up.
 

BSK

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wcsd462 said:
Kevin.....NICE pic's!
I dont see the difference either, they are eating together whether at a feeder or in a corn field.
As dry as it is in Tennessee right now wouldnt this be the time for feeding? Everything else has burned up.

Deer eat at a feeder and feed in a field or on acorns in a different manner. In natural feeding situations, deer are not puting their mouths in the same places. Feeders spread disease--proven fact.

This drought has been a perfect example of why food plots aren't the answer for providing a local deer herd's nutritional intake. Food plots fail in droughts. Yet the natural habitat does not. Native plants are naturally drought tolerant. My food plots are all brown and dead, but the weeds growing right next to the plots are in fantastic shape and show little signs of drought effects. And the deer are pounding them, as they should. Feed your deer with the native habitat. Use food plots to provide higher-quality foods that what naturally exist. Never expect to "carry" a deer herd with food plots.
 

BSK

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Dark Thirty II wrote:
If my state allows it, and there are continuously growing numbers of deer or stabilized herds, then they must know something.

State allow baiting/feeding because hunters demand it and/or politicians demand it (due to hunter pressure), not because it is good for the deer. And most states that allow baiting are rethinking that policy due to health concerns.


If I saw it as something detrimental to the herd, then I would rethink the situation,...

Are you sure about that? I can give you scientific proof it is detrimental, but I strongly suspect you would ignore that. We humans have a bad habitat of looking for the quick and easy route to whatever we want to acheive, and will ignore or refute anything that stands in our way.


...but as for right now we can simply agree to disagree.

I can live with that.
 

BigGameGuy

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Good post Greg.


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This buck was grown without kernal number one fed to him, so it must prove feeding doesn't work. Right?

Bottom line, there is a wealth of information that shows the negatives aspects of supplemental feeding in wild animals. Can anyone present any scientific evidence that shows it's a beneficial practice in a wild herd?
 

wskp1

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Blah, Blah, Blah, I have a degree in this and that and know everything. Good thing your arms are long to pat yourself on the back all day! I have a house of 7 and a degree in "If it's brown it's down"! Feed'em , grow'em, clean'em and eat'em.
 

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BSK said:
Dark Thirty II wrote:
If my state allows it, and there are continuously growing numbers of deer or stabilized herds, then they must know something.

State allow baiting/feeding because hunters demand it and/or politicians demand it (due to hunter pressure), not because it is good for the deer.
BSK is right again. Michigan has a 2 gallon limit on bait piles. According to DNR big game specialist Rod Clute, the 2 gallon limit is a good compromise between those who want bait banned, and those who want to dump a pick-up load in the woods. Michigan does not have a 2 gallon limit because it is good for the deer. Michigan has a 2 gallon limit because that keeps the least number of hunters from complaining.
 

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I do agree that natural habitat is an important factor in managing, holding and killing big deer, but if you dont have the right natural habitat I think it should be up to the land owner not the goverment to do what he thinks will work best for his land,whether it is re planting tree's that were logged or planting native brows or even puttng out feeder's. I only have about six oak tree's on my property due to logging,{This was done pryor to me buying it}. In the past couple of years the oaks I do have have not produced so the deer dont hang around becouse the neighbors do have oak's, so in order to compete I feed, I put in food plots,minerals stations I even did some burning to try to promote the groth of natural vegetation. If their was anything else to do I would do that to. The name of the game for me is to hold as many deer on my property as I can to keep the trigger happy neighbors from killing every thing that moves. Age is the first key in killing big deer, second is genetics,{cast do anything about that} third is nutrition, that is where I can help out and at the same time I may see more deer while I am hunting hell I may even help grow the buck of my lifetime.
 

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