Electronic ladder test....

TresMon

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"The Electronic (Claude Audette) Ladder Test for Load Development. "

So in my "Hand Loading for Long Range series that I wrote years ago I explained the usefulness of Claude Audette's ladder test. I received loads of PM's and e-mails with further questions after writing that multi-part article. I thought I'd throw in a little technology update on the process.

Another way to skin the same cat....

The ladder test is an economical & manual way to "see" pressure walls in the relationship between powder charge, the bore and ejecta. For a small recap, one would think just a little more powder would yield a little more velocity. and it does until you hit one of the numerous pressure wall phenomenons..
In practical application there will be a couple or thee powder charges within book min & book max powder charges that actually do not yield an increase in FPS, despite going up another increment in powder. Then the next later or second later following incremental powder charge increase will finally again yield a FPS increase. Picking a powder charge for your long range/precision load that is right at a pressure wall will yield you the most forgiving and stable powder charge and the Audette ladder test has shown us these pressure walls, manually for many decades now.

The reason that choosing a pressure wall charge is more forgiving is near obvious....it's forgiving. Wether one must go from one lot number of their favorite powder to another lot number...or perhaps a guy doesn't have the patience or desire to hand weight each powder charge with VERY precise equipment and attention to detail, or one uses a progressive reloading press which is less than the bench mark standard for accurate powder metering, etc etc.....choosing a powder charge at a pressure wall is where you will find the most consistency even when these inaccuracies of the charge weight itself is introduced, powder variances from manufacturers lot to lot can't be helped, ever changing temperature of the powder itself day to day, shot to shot- all the skews we can't hep in the world of shooting. Pressure walls could be called "zones of (charge weight) forgiveness."


Enter LabRadar. (And I have zero association with LabRadar..) We laymen have finally been provided an "affordable" chronograph that is accurate enough to specifically show us where the pressure walls are, right at the firing position with no numerous treks down range back and forth back and forth to label hits. It even negates the need for the generally agreed upon bare minimum 500 yard range for the manual Audette ladder test to be able to give clear data.

To do an "electronic ladder test" simply load 10ish rounds each at a different powder charge and fire them and obtain the MV report form the radar. Out of the 10 or so rounds you fire, most will have a "more powder yielded = more fps" scenario. Burt for those rounds that more powder produced the same or nearly the same exact FPS...poof...these are your pressure walls standing up and being accounted for.

Choose the pressure wall that's closest to your p[referred muzzle velocity then .go play with primers, neck tension & bullet seating depth to find the best load. And you just saved yourself a substantial amount of barrel life in the load development process.

God bless and stay at it boys.
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Before I started reloading, back in the 80's, I purchased my hunting ammo and zeroed for that box. Each deer season, I'd shoot 3-round groups and try and get 1" sized groups before I'd call it done. When I started reloading, I'd load ladders, about 9 per charge, then I'd pick the one with the tightest groups. Now I read about nodes, pressure walls, etc are what we should be using. With the chronys getting cheaper, many of us can afford to do this ourselves but I wonder, do these pressure walls or nodes, translate across weapon platforms? Say I have two .308 rifles with same size barrels, would the same test give me a good load across them both? BTW, here is where I read my current method of load development,

http://www.65guys.com/10-round-load-dev ... dder-test/
 

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Scott Satterlee has a pretty good way of doing it. I've used it with decent results but haven't perfected it. Probably boils down to my initial brass prep isn't where it should be.


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Omega":1558emm1 said:
Before I started reloading, back in the 80's, I purchased my hunting ammo and zeroed for that box. Each deer season, I'd shoot 3-round groups and try and get 1" sized groups before I'd call it done. When I started reloading, I'd load ladders, about 9 per charge, then I'd pick the one with the tightest groups. Now I read about nodes, pressure walls, etc are what we should be using. With the chronys getting cheaper, many of us can afford to do this ourselves but I wonder, do these pressure walls or nodes, translate across weapon platforms? Say I have two .308 rifles with same size barrels, would the same test give me a good load across them both? BTW, here is where I read my current method of load development,

http://www.65guys.com/10-round-load-dev ... dder-test/

They will mostly translate from one barrel to the next given all things identical...same maker, type steel, profile, twist...but no two will behave exactly the same.
 

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I have read your info you have posted about different topics on 24Hourcampfire over the last several years. Always very detailed information and great reads.
 

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sll":8mkj8cm5 said:
I have read your info you have posted about different topics on 24Hourcampfire over the last several years. Always very detailed information and great reads.

Kind. Thank you.
 

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New lot of H4350 and 130 VLDH bullets in my 30 inch Krieger 8 twist 6.5x47L..

Started at 39.5 .015 off the lands and went up in .3 gr jumps..from 40.1 to 40.4 the speed dropped where it had been going up about 25 fps a time..

Loaded 3 rounds at 40 40.1 40.2 40.3 and 40.4 and shot at 100 yards ...they all looked good but 40.2 was really tight....gonna load more of those and shoot 5 shot groups at 300 and see if it holds..
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Based on the chart, where would you say is the ideal load? The red speeds are where I didn't get a speed from my old beta chrony. So, factor that into the equation.
 

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