Blackhorn powder and a 200g bullet, I want to weigh the powder, I want a middle of the road load nothing hot, setting up for grandson, Have the new plug in so some testing a few loads ahead . Any body shoot something similar that would share info? thanks
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65-70 gr weighed would be a good start
Chiflyguy
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I use 2 White Hotts (100 g) and the kick is nothing compared to the slug gun I used to use (20ga)
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I'll be watching, and adding info after I go to the range next week.
Very interested to hear about what bullet and load performs best in the Wolf.
Very interested to hear about what bullet and load performs best in the Wolf.
Not worried about the kick, want to make it consistent, thanks Jcalder, looking forward to not fighting a crud ring, Grandson will be 16 in November stands 6' and 200lbs , dang kids grow up to quick 
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Damn that's a big kid.Not worried about the kick, want to make it consistent, thanks Jcalder, looking forward to not fighting a crud ring, Grandson will be 16 in November stands 6' and 200lbs , dang kids grow up to quick
2 white hotts, 295 grain Powerbelts give me 1.5" groups at 160 yards.
Ditto. Here is load data from their website. Notice the volume to weight ratio/conversion at the top of the page is 0.7. Blackhorn 209 Load Data
I'm going to switch over to BH209 this year also. Following this thread for sure
tnjay
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I have a tc triumph. Since pulling it out of the box, I shoot 70 grains by weight, 90 grains by volume of Blackhorn 209. I exclusively use 200 grain bullets. I can consistently shoot 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards with no problem. One thing you will need is the cleaning solution. It takes very little to clean after 10 shots. I only use 4 patches to clean, and grease my gun after shooting it. In honest opinion, I would like to kick myself for not switching to Blackhorn 209 sooner.
I think 80-100 gr should do. With that grain anything over 100 yards is going to loose energy and speed and drop fast. Look up some info on your rounds and powder it should be on the paper with the bullets. You don't want to be getting close to about 1100fps speed of sound at 150 yards. I shoot 125gr Winchester 777 loose powder .295gr power belt and I'm at around 2000fps at muzzle and shot a nice 8 point 1st morning of muzzle loader last year at 10 yards and didn't get a pass through he didn't go 40 yards. I personally with his size try to get him at 100gr powder. But definitely look at the paperwork that came with bullet. Heavier bullets keep better energy and speed longer atshorter distances that lighter rounds read the paper you'll see.
Please don't try 100gr by weight^ I'm sure Madbowh meant volumetric measurements but Mike243 asked about weight.
I have a wolf set up for my son. Much younger and smaller. It groups well at 100yds (1.5inch) with 60gr(by volume) and a 200gr XPB. It's got basically no recoil. I will step him up in powder and bullet at he grows. I don't think i'd let him shoot a deer further than 75yds.
I shoot an optima with 100gr by volume(70gr by weight) with a 250gr Barnes Expander. I'm sure your GS could handle this much powder but he may develop a flinch if he's not a confident shooter.
I have a wolf set up for my son. Much younger and smaller. It groups well at 100yds (1.5inch) with 60gr(by volume) and a 200gr XPB. It's got basically no recoil. I will step him up in powder and bullet at he grows. I don't think i'd let him shoot a deer further than 75yds.
I shoot an optima with 100gr by volume(70gr by weight) with a 250gr Barnes Expander. I'm sure your GS could handle this much powder but he may develop a flinch if he's not a confident shooter.
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Make sure you measure by volume in a blackhorn tube however many grains you do use. Don't weigh it with a scale like you would smokeless powder for reloading.
You can weigh it. Says so on their website. The conversion was mentioned above.
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Walmart on Madison st had plenty of BH the other day if you need some.
taylor j
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I agree, but he didn't state anything about the conversion. Better safe than sorry!
I am not new to muzzyloaders, I shoot a Savage with 43g on N110, short barrel on this wolf I have no experience on loads, i dont have a volume tube as it got given to my son with the Optima when I went smokeless, weighing the power is the best method for my $ have shot untold amounts of bullets through them over the years, its my favorite season
taylor j
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Then you should know black powder and black powder substitutes are measured by volume then.
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I use 100 grains of blackmore and a 250 grain Hornady sst that is a tack driver at 100 yards.
80-85 gr by volume of blackhorn should provide a nice, mild recoiling load with that bullet weight. A lot of folks have been weighing their blackhorn charges for a while now. One thing that's been discovered about blackhorn is it can somewhat vary in weight from lot to lot so the conversion factor listed on the BH site doesnt necessarily hold true. Folks will usually take the average weight of ten volumetric loads with any given lot number due to the weight variation between the lots. Personally, I weighed my loads for a while and really didnt see much, if any improvement in groups, so I went back to measuring by volume.
I shot a 225 gr Barnes XPB with 85 gr by volume out of my Optima pistol for a good bit. Recoil was manageable even in the pistol and it was a pretty effective whitetail load within the ranges I shot with it...typically under 75 yards. Out of a rifle platform, it would be a nice load if you can get it to group well. I currently shoot 110 gr by volume with a 265 gr Fury in my Knight Ultra-lite.
I shot a 225 gr Barnes XPB with 85 gr by volume out of my Optima pistol for a good bit. Recoil was manageable even in the pistol and it was a pretty effective whitetail load within the ranges I shot with it...typically under 75 yards. Out of a rifle platform, it would be a nice load if you can get it to group well. I currently shoot 110 gr by volume with a 265 gr Fury in my Knight Ultra-lite.
100gr by volume BH209 and a 290gr Barnes TEZ with a black crush rib sabot is deadly on deer. Sight in 1-2" high at 100yds and hold dead on at 150yds. I've set up several Wolfs for other guys and they all shot this load well.
You do know that they can be weighed and be far more consistent than a volume measure ? , you think they measure smokeless by volume by weight or volume for a reason?
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Sure can be weighed but I figured a pro like yourself would know better than to ask people on here for load information. I think you'll have trouble stabilizing a 200 grain bullet at smoker speeds. I shoot a smokeless muzzleloader too!
I have been on here for a few years and I pretty much know who's knowledge can be trusted, same thing as calling a good friend and asking them, I am no expert on anything, better that somebody start from scratch and hurt them self's or somebody else? other folks have already done a lot of the home work I just need to fine tune a load, I have multiple bullet combo's that I can try.
Ive weighed BH209 for years in my ChargeMaster 1500 combo.
Start off by volume. Throw 10 loads then weigh them. Take the average weight and you are set for that lot# of BH209. The conversion chart on Westerns site is a ballpark. Weight vs volume changed a few times with different lot numbers. The Lot# is on the bottle.
BH209 can easily match 5744 in speed with some bullet/sabot combinations. Especially with a 300gr bullet.
Start off by volume. Throw 10 loads then weigh them. Take the average weight and you are set for that lot# of BH209. The conversion chart on Westerns site is a ballpark. Weight vs volume changed a few times with different lot numbers. The Lot# is on the bottle.
BH209 can easily match 5744 in speed with some bullet/sabot combinations. Especially with a 300gr bullet.
Dayum thats funny right there. How did you come to this conclusion? What speed to you think is required for a 200gr bullet in a 1-28 twist CVA Wolf because ive shot a bucket load of much heavier bullets in various 1-28s over the years?
You probably wont have that issue with BH209. It makes far less peak than N110. I would suggest getting some Harvester SMOOTH black sabots. The ones listed for upto 300gr bullets. You wont blow those with any BH209 load. Start at 90gr by volume and work up to whatever you need. The ballpark conversion is (volume x .7=weight). Usually between 90 and 110gr by volume will be the sweet spot depending on bullet weight.
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Your reply makes no sense. You said AT SMOKER SPEEDS it might not stabilize. Sure it will. Now you say a heavier bullet is needed. While i prefer a heavier bullet your assumption a 200gr WONT stabilize in a 1-28 is way off base. Makes me wonder how well versed you are on the topic to be honest. My go to low recoil bullet is the Barnes 225gr XPB. Shot them for years. They can shoot excellent in a 1-28 but they did better at less velocity in my 1-24s.
IMO you cant generate enough MV to OVER stabilize a 200gr 45cal in a 1-28 with BH209. You will max out close to 2200fps and i dont think you will even achieve that in the shorter Wolf barrel. Seems odd Western would offer the load data for a bullet that WONT stabilize.
IMO you cant generate enough MV to OVER stabilize a 200gr 45cal in a 1-28 with BH209. You will max out close to 2200fps and i dont think you will even achieve that in the shorter Wolf barrel. Seems odd Western would offer the load data for a bullet that WONT stabilize.
taylor j
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Shoot them and find out. You'll waste your time and money.Your reply makes no sense. You said AT SMOKER SPEEDS it might not stabilize. Sure it will. Now you say a heavier bullet is needed. While i prefer a heavier bullet your assumption a 200gr WONT stabilize in a 1-28 is way off base. Makes me wonder how well versed you are on the topic to be honest. My go to low recoil bullet is the Barnes 225gr XPB. Shot them for years. They can shoot excellent in a 1-28 but they did better at less velocity in my 1-24s.
IMO you cant generate enough MV to OVER stabilize a 200gr 45cal in a 1-28 with BH209. You will max out close to 2200fps and i dont think you will even achieve that in the shorter Wolf barrel. Seems odd Western would offer the load data for a bullet that WONT stabilize.
