stik
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i believe the next state record brookie will come from the clinch or caney fork within the next 2 years. the shame is that with the 14-20 inch protected slot, that fish may not be legal.
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stillinscrubs
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http://www.bobberstop.com/weightcaculator.html
http://www.brooktrout.ca/trout-weight-calulator.htm
http://www.state.tn.us/twra/fish/FishRecTbl.html
State record is 3lb 14oz. New record would likely be 21 or 22 inches. Swing and miss....
http://www.brooktrout.ca/trout-weight-calulator.htm
http://www.state.tn.us/twra/fish/FishRecTbl.html
State record is 3lb 14oz. New record would likely be 21 or 22 inches. Swing and miss....
And if that slot was not in place do you think they would get any bigger? That slot is providing THE best fishing on the Clinch in the past 10 years right now. I caught and carefully released over a dozen brookies several weeks ago in the 12-13' range. I personally can't wait to fight a larger one.
I have no problems whatsoever with the slots...its a good policy, well thought out, and accomodating to both the eaters and the releasers. Both play a part. I've got 16" brooks in the Caney, and a friend of mine claims to have taken one 19", on the fly of course...
Tubakka,
Respect your opinion on this. i have enjoyed the few "barbs" toward the flyfishermen over the past year or two.
Slots are not for one subset of fishermen, they are for all and to help protect a resourse during certain growth periods. With less and less funding it will be harder to continue to stock a catchable "eating size" fish unless we let them grow.
Then you can SMOKE a 21" brookie.....yeah baby...that's what I am holding out for!
Respect your opinion on this. i have enjoyed the few "barbs" toward the flyfishermen over the past year or two.
Slots are not for one subset of fishermen, they are for all and to help protect a resourse during certain growth periods. With less and less funding it will be harder to continue to stock a catchable "eating size" fish unless we let them grow.
Then you can SMOKE a 21" brookie.....yeah baby...that's what I am holding out for!
Buckmaster84
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cool
slot limits are like point restrictions,both are designed to raise the size/age ,the lower keep limit would be like allowing a spike ect to be taken,its a win win situation for trophy fisherman & twra as they dont have to stock as many trout,glad we dont have P.R. 
,mike243
,mike243stik
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stillinscrubs said:
likely, maybe. i have a 19 inch rainbow that was just under 4 lbs.
i am not opposed to the slot but i still think it would be a shame to have to throw back a record fish because of it.
Setterman
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I brought to hand a 17" brookie in the Clinch last summer. Gorgeous fish, and fat as a pig, there is no way it was even close to being the new state record.
Stik, I have to say this talk track of yours seem to be an obsession.
I have to ask is the overall health of the fishery worth jeopordizing so that some silly state record might be broken?
You have to think about life after the slot, once a fish surpasses the slot they are fair game. With the growing conditions present on the clinch, and the slot, brookies over 20" will probably be pretty common after another year or so.
Seems to me, that there are much more important things to fret over then a Brook trout record. Now if you hate the slot, because of the slot, then fine, but trying to play it this way is somewhat puzzling.
Stik, I have to say this talk track of yours seem to be an obsession.
I have to ask is the overall health of the fishery worth jeopordizing so that some silly state record might be broken?
You have to think about life after the slot, once a fish surpasses the slot they are fair game. With the growing conditions present on the clinch, and the slot, brookies over 20" will probably be pretty common after another year or so.
Seems to me, that there are much more important things to fret over then a Brook trout record. Now if you hate the slot, because of the slot, then fine, but trying to play it this way is somewhat puzzling.
stik
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Setterman said:
read my previous post.i LOVE the slot on browns and rainbows.
Setterman
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Cool, glad you like the slot overall. Honestly, I could care less if there is no slot on the brookies, they don't do much for me. I prefer to catch rainbows and browns, and as long as there is some protection for them, then I am a happy camper.
We ought to go chase them sometime, if you get the desire.
We ought to go chase them sometime, if you get the desire.
stik
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i guess my thoughts on the brookies are a bit skewed from my experiences backcountry fishing for them. i have been known to hike 2+ miles just to catch a 7 inch fish, which would be a monster. i just can't imagine having to release a 16+ inch brookie.
i plan to try and fish the clinch a little more this spring.
i plan to try and fish the clinch a little more this spring.
Setterman
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I have spent a bunch of time as well chasing native brookies. I enjoy it a heck of alot more then the ones in the Clinch. I bet we have traveled some of the same waters over the years.
stik
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Setterman said:
i'm sure we probably have. upper bald river is my favorite.
Unicam
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Setterman said:
I prefer Natives myself, have fished them all over New England.
woodchuckc
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Unicam said:
Native brookies are a special creature indeed. Back in my college days in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, I used to love chasing them on little tiny streams (as well as on bigger rivers!). One of my most special outdoor memories is catching a 14 1/2 inch long brookie out of a stream I could easily straddle. There is no telling how long it took for him to get that size.
gil1
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I have no problem with catching and keeping/eating a fish. I do so from time to time.
But the last fish I would ever keep would be a record brookie. I would catch it, photograph it, and release it to hopefully be caught again. It's too valuable to be killed. I'd get a replica for the wall.
JMO
But the last fish I would ever keep would be a record brookie. I would catch it, photograph it, and release it to hopefully be caught again. It's too valuable to be killed. I'd get a replica for the wall.
JMO
Setterman
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stik said:
I have been there many times, gorgeous piece of water.
7mm,
It wasn't a stab at fly fishermen. I have no problem with fly fishermen as long as they're decent people. But alot of royal jerks get blanketed under that title of fly fishermen, and seem to be defended more or less on their tackle of choice rather than their character in the sport. I'm not talking about releasing fish...if people are keeping the legal limit, then there should be no qualm. Most flyfishermen are cool guys, I'm friends with more than a few. I've also taken stabs about being a detriment to a fishery, even though I release most of my fish now, even the "keepers", simply because of the tackle I choose to pursue trout with, which is absolutely preposterous...but back on topic...
...the limits are a great thing for the fishery, and should be carried over into like waters in the state, if not already. I just hope people realize that no matter how many big fish are in there after a few years of increased limits won't change an individual anglers catch rate unless they're willing to adapt to the conditions most likely to produce activity in a particular species. Alot of these changes currently came about, to my understanding, due to outcry in recent catch numbers of larger fish...but nothing could be farther from the truth. Even with the harvest that has been previously implemented, the trout population is strong to say the least, especially in the larger sizes. I just don't want to see it go any more stringent in regulations because of the same factors a few years down the road...aptly, you aren't going to catch alot of big fish wading on the lowest flows during the daylight hours. It just ain't gonna happen...don't care how many big fish are in there, especially with the browns. I don't want fishing in TN to end up like in Washington state, where the regulations change every half mile or so. What a mess...
It wasn't a stab at fly fishermen. I have no problem with fly fishermen as long as they're decent people. But alot of royal jerks get blanketed under that title of fly fishermen, and seem to be defended more or less on their tackle of choice rather than their character in the sport. I'm not talking about releasing fish...if people are keeping the legal limit, then there should be no qualm. Most flyfishermen are cool guys, I'm friends with more than a few. I've also taken stabs about being a detriment to a fishery, even though I release most of my fish now, even the "keepers", simply because of the tackle I choose to pursue trout with, which is absolutely preposterous...but back on topic...
...the limits are a great thing for the fishery, and should be carried over into like waters in the state, if not already. I just hope people realize that no matter how many big fish are in there after a few years of increased limits won't change an individual anglers catch rate unless they're willing to adapt to the conditions most likely to produce activity in a particular species. Alot of these changes currently came about, to my understanding, due to outcry in recent catch numbers of larger fish...but nothing could be farther from the truth. Even with the harvest that has been previously implemented, the trout population is strong to say the least, especially in the larger sizes. I just don't want to see it go any more stringent in regulations because of the same factors a few years down the road...aptly, you aren't going to catch alot of big fish wading on the lowest flows during the daylight hours. It just ain't gonna happen...don't care how many big fish are in there, especially with the browns. I don't want fishing in TN to end up like in Washington state, where the regulations change every half mile or so. What a mess...
Stik,
You would kill a 8" brookie and for go a chance at something like this? BTW....caught on a fly!
You would kill a 8" brookie and for go a chance at something like this? BTW....caught on a fly!
Tubakka said:
No harm taken. We all poke fun of the polar opposites from time to time. I rather enjoy the difference. Truly I respect how you are able to catch the larger fish on a higher frequency than the average guy. Both our fishing licenses were purchased with the same hard earned cash so we can fish anyway the state deems is appropriate.
Tight Lines,
PS....There are no big fish in the Clich......so you just STAY down there on the Caney!
stik
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gil1 said:
a streambred mountain fish, i agree. but these are hatchery fish that probably will not reproduce. that sucker is going home with me!!
7mm08 said:Stik,
You would kill a 8" brookie and for go a chance at something like this? BTW....caught on a fly!
with the slot, an 8 in. fish is legal. is that a tennessee fish?
native brookie, but not of TN
I wouldn't personally kill an 8" of any kind seeing is that is about two bites of food, unless I'm in the backcountry, and that's my source of food.
I wouldn't personally kill an 8" of any kind seeing is that is about two bites of food, unless I'm in the backcountry, and that's my source of food.
gil1 said:
And I would do the same for a trophy whitetail in TN
stik
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beautiful fish.
Setterman
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Who says they won't reproduce? They aren't asexual or sterile, and just like the rainbows and browns in the tailwaters they will reproduce.
Model70Man
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Tubakka said:
They do reproduce on the Clinch.
stik
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Model70Man said:
hiwassee too
Setterman
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Tubakka said:
Your info on the Clinch is wrong, there is and has been great natural reproduction success in the CLinch and its tribs for 2 decades now. Years like this with crazy high flows obviously have an impact on the success, but on normal or near normal flow years the success is remarkable. And please don't bring up the TWRA data, contact some TVA folks and get their data it is accurate. Or come up and fish with me in August and I will show you the young of the year in the river for proof.
