my short hair , belle, is a great close working dog. we had some luck last year around catoosa i was wondering if any of the other wma had many birds. I understand that they are hard to come by I just like to watch her run. I dont even carry a gun quite a bit of the time. So if grouse are as prevelant as they sound I guess it would be a good chance to watch her work. I still love the bobs though we have a small place that we by and release birds in august so by November they are pretty wild. Pretty good success to about 60-70 percent of the birds make it to hunting season, much less make it through season but we do have some that make it from season to season.