Blown up Savage...graphic

[Country1]

Recieved an email of this Savage ML with a blown up barrel. Did not specify the details of the accident.

 

[preachermantom]

Wow! Could having a double load in there do that?

 

[LeatherLungz]

none of us were there, he supposedly did everything like he always did.

Could be more Toby Bridges propaganda.


Glad I got mine before cry babies get them pulled off of the market.


sorry for dude's hand whatever happened-but ship happens

 

[cecil30-30]

Dang! Thats gotta hurt!

 

[FULLDRAWXX75]

I don't know about anyone else on here, but I have never once ever thought anything like that would or could happen with one of my guns.................until now.

I guess I have always trusted in the products and the manufacturers do enough extensive testing to prevent that kind of stuff.

One thing does come to mind..............Was it one of those that was labeled "black powder only" from Cabela's or where ever and the guy was using smokeless?

I know that subject was tossed around here earlier last month..........

FDXX75

 

[LeatherLungz]

I don't know about anyone else on here, but I have never once ever thought anything like that would or could happen with one of my guns.................until now.

I guess I have always trusted in the products and the manufacturers do enough extensive testing to prevent that kind of stuff.

One thing does come to mind..............Was it one of those that was labeled "black powder only" from Cabela's or where ever and the guy was using smokeless?

I know that subject was tossed around here earlier last month..........

FDXX75

here's some more info: Again, who knows what happened, exactly. But I know that the guns are tested for 2 1/2 times likely pressures

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

 

[ewc]

I hate that for anyone.

Since no one except Trent knows EXACTLY what happened, any post would be speculation at best.

However, I'll bet with a little searching, I could find a blown up CVA, Knight, Encore, Remington, etc.

Unfortunately, it happens, but I believe it to be operator error more often than manufacturer error (wrong components, load, barrel obstruction, double load, etc).

I feel very safe behind my Savage.

 

[FULLDRAWXX75]

something had to be blocking that barrel i bet

I am no explosives expert, but I have been looking at these pics most of the afternoon. It definitely looks like the barrel was obstructed about mid way down the barrel or this weapon developed stress cracks in the rifleing that finally just gave way to the pressure.

As mentioned above, I doubt anyone will ever know what actually happened but the guy that loaded it and pulled the trigger.

FDXX75

 

[ShaneHallum]

I'd like to hear more about his story. It almost seems like it was a double charge or something.

Could just be the barrel wasn't built strong enough. Every gun made is gonna break at some point. His poor hand looks terrible.

 

[Tiny]

I hate that for anyone.

Since no one except Trent knows EXACTLY what happened, any post would be speculation at best.

However, I'll bet with a little searching, I could find a blown up CVA, Knight, Encore, Remington, etc.

Unfortunately, it happens, but I believe it to be operator error more often than manufacturer error (wrong components, load, barrel obstruction, double load, etc).

I feel very safe behind my Savage.

Well said.

 

[FULLDRAWXX75]

scope held up

One heck a dent in it though.............

FDXX75

 

[Locksley]

I don't know about anyone else on here, but I have never once ever thought anything like that would or could happen with one of my guns.................until now.

I guess I have always trusted in the products and the manufacturers do enough extensive testing to prevent that kind of stuff.

One thing does come to mind..............Was it one of those that was labeled "black powder only" from Cabela's or where ever and the guy was using smokeless?

I know that subject was tossed around here earlier last month..........

FDXX75

here's some more info: Again, who knows what happened, exactly. But I know that the guns are tested for 2 1/2 times likely pressures

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

Wow! Could having a double load in there do that?

something had to be blocking that barrel i bet

If the bullett is not all the way down on the powder then the bullett acts like an obstruction. The air gap is what destroyes the gun that air gets compressed by the powder charge to fantastic pressures.
The wrong powder or a bullett not down all the way on the powder charge will be the cause of most blow ups .

 

[kry226]

I gotta tell you, after having followed the Toby Bridges incident over the years, and his falling out with Savage, it's hard to put 100% belief behind information he puts out there against the 10ML-II. Unfortunately, he has a motivator to tarnish the reputation of the company and rifle.

Does that mean he or this guy Trent are lying? NO. But it does make the whole situation harder to believe.

I'll just keep shooting modest loads into cloverleafs and killing deer with my 10ML-II. But honestly, I'll always be cognizant of where my left hand is every time I pull the trigger from now on.

 

[rem270]

dang

 

[10mm4me]

I'd like to hear more about his story. It almost seems like it was a double charge or something.

Could just be the barrel wasn't built strong enough. Every gun made is gonna break at some point. His poor hand looks terrible.

Yeah, a spring may break, or a sight post may fall off, but I certainly doubt the barrel blowing up is part of normal wear and tear. This def looks like a double charge. The failure of the barrel is in the right spot for a double charge, the odds that it is purely a barrel failure that happened to occur in that exact spot is quite rare and unlikely.

 

[Split Brow]

wow!! that really sucks.

 

[reloaderman]

I'm betting it was a double charge or the bullet was not seated all the way down on the powder charge, wonder if it could of been one powder charge and two bullets?

 

[ewc]

Guessing games-

Like I stated, speculation at best. I have my idea, but my thoughts are still speculation.

I may start a thread on blown up Encores...

http://dougsmessageboards.proboards.com ... hread=4296

 

[GRAMPS]

Excuse my ignorance, but what happened to Toby Bidges?

 

[LeatherLungz]

Excuse my ignorance, but what happened to Toby Bidges?

to make story short: he was ex Savage employee that is disgruntled-some body pissed in his wheaties somewhere along the way

 

[ewc]

I'm thinking Toby may have burned some Bridges....

sorry. could not resist.

 

[ewc]

Read page one of the link below, paying particular attention to what sw and edge post.

Most of everything has been aired, but Toby was not 100% in the wrong. Savage, the Balls, Toby, et al. could have handled this more professionally.

Then you have a slug named RW...

http://dougsmessageboards.proboards.com ... 062&page=1

 

[Howa]

I ain't skeered. And from what I've read Toby Bridges is a loser.

 

[RUGER]

 

[buckbstr_1]

Nasty.

 

[Whelen Man]

Considering the number of these rifles out there, the number of shots fired, and the number of idiotic things people do with these rifes I think it is a testament to them that there have not been more accidents like this or worse. In all likelihood it's a shooter error but that just my opinion and the guy planning to sue Savage for his injuries sure isn't going to admit that he had any fault in the injury.

Being as it was the first shot of the season it was likely a double load with a load being left from the previous year already in the rifle. Toby Bridges story is well known and he is known to have an ax to grind with Savage and is out to do it any way he can. This won't affect my shooting confidence at all but just make me more aware of the need to pay attention to what I'm doing.

 

[ewc]

I believe it to be a double load also - powder, sabot, and bullet on top of existing powder, sabot, and bullet.

Mine is loaded now from last season. It's tagged with my load / date and I also zip-tie the bolt closed. If I get hit by a bus and my wife sells it to one of you all, thank me in your prayers

 

[ttf909]

the gun didnt have the accu trigger. can anyone tell the age of the gun?

 

[reloaderman]

the more i think about it i'm going to agree with ewc about the gun being double loaded, i believe it is shooter error and not the gun. my gun is about 7 years old and has had 4 to 5 thousand shots fired through it with all kinds of powders including several different duplex loads. I also know of one gun that was loaded and fired with the ramrod still in the barrel with no damage to the gun, but the shooter had a case of scope eye.--- if you're wondering the ramrod was never found!

 

[TheLBLman]

How to Blow Up A Savage . . . . . . .
http://randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm