Base help

[TheAirMan]

I recently got a Savage 110 in a trade and want to get some scope bases for it. After a couple quick searches, I am under the impression that they make a standard receiver as they call it, and a round receiver. On my gun, where the rear base goes is flat. Where the front base goes is round. It's got a flat place cut out in it for the base to go in. However, it's round in front of and behind that flat spot. So what kind of base do I need?


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[Rackseeker]

preaccutrigger models early 06 and older the rear part of the receiver is flat, all accutrigger models are round on both ends, if the rear of the action is flat you need a flat base. If you go to MidwayUSA and go to Savage 110 scope bases you choose weather it has a flat or round, you would choose flat.

 

[TNRifleman]

I would highly recommend a picatinny rail for it as the base. I have an EGW rail on mine and it works great.

 

[Jcalder]

https://www.midwayusa.com/savage-110111 ... ?cid=14313


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[LanceS4803]

EGW was my choice for the older Savage 110 I bought.
Took very litte, if any, bedding. (Keep in mind that almost every one piece scope base will require bedding.)

 

[TheAirMan]

Although I am no novice when it comes to firearms, I'm not 100% sure what you mean about beading. Would I be better off with a two piece since a one piece would require that?


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[infoman jr.]

Although I am no novice when it comes to firearms, I'm not 100% sure what you mean about beading. Would I be better off with a two piece since a one piece would require that?


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Since a 1-piece base cannot contact both the front and back contact points evenly due to tolerances, a common practice is to fill in the missing space with bedding compound or JB weld. This ensures that the scope is mounted without any stresses applied to it. 2-piece bases are not an improvement as the rings would still be at a different height due to the tolerance variation mentioned earlier.

 

[Hunter 257W]

EGW was my choice for the older Savage 110 I bought.
Took very litte, if any, bedding. (Keep in mind that almost every one piece scope base will require bedding.)

Are you saying that you put bedding compound between your scope base and the rifle receiver when installing??

 

[LanceS4803]

EGW was my choice for the older Savage 110 I bought.
Took very litte, if any, bedding. (Keep in mind that almost every one piece scope base will require bedding.)

Are you saying that you put bedding compound between your scope base and the rifle receiver when installing??

Yes!
Infoman summed it up pretty well. Even the best rifle using the best mount may not lay perfectly flat.
Two piece mounts introduce a whole different set of issues.
This is easy to do.

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[BobTail]

Bedding scope mounts has been done for years. However, with today's mounts (provided they are quality pieces) it isn't as necessary as it was in the past. Most one piece mounts like DNZ and a few others are quite good from the factory. At the most I have to lap the rings on occasion. Bedding should be used as a last resort. You may want to sell the rifle or remove the mounts sometime in the future.

This $20 tool from Wheeler will save you a lot of work .... and eliminate needless work also ...................

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/599514 ... ent-tool-1

The entire kit is $45 here .............

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/213018 ... apping-kit

 

[LanceS4803]

The bedding is applied to the mount. I use Johnson's wax on the rifle during the process.

As for necessity, it just depends. My Remington 5R, recent manufacture, needed bedding with a Seekins mount. An old Savage 110 just required the thinnest of skims. I just did a Game Reaper one piece mount on a Tikka T3 Lite that fit perfectly, no bedding needed.

 

[Hunter 257W]

There's no denying that epoxy will conform to any surface better than any pre-machined part ever could. As long as you use release agent on the receiver there's nothing to lose even if the surfaces do match well - with the epoxy, they will match perfectly. I've just never heard of using it under a base. I'm trying to recall if any of my rifles that do have one piece bases were installed by myself or if they are on the various used rifles I have that came with bases installed. I can't remember ever installing a one-piece since my preferred mount is the Leupold two piece with the front dove-tail and rear windage adjusting base. I've always used a screwdriver that I have which has a handle right about 1inch in diameter to turn in the front ring. I cringe when I hear people say they use their scope for that job. Then I sit the bottom half of the rear ring on the base and put the scope in it and use the scope as an alignment tool. If you adjust the windage screws carefully and evenly, checking with a bright light to verify the scope is sitting fully down in the rings, you can get a real good alignment of the rings latterly. If they happen to be of differing heights, you are out of luck with this method. I've yet to run into a situation where I could detect any gap between the rings and scope even with the brightest light. I've seen those alignment bars with the points that work like centers on a lathe but have always felt frustrated doing the same thing with aligning the headstock and a center on the lathe was not as precise as it is implied. I mean you aren't really measuring, you are just looking at two points that could still be off a thousandth or two and I'm not sure you'd see it. Now if you use the lapping tool, then by George, you can say everything is aligned!

 

[infoman jr.]

Bedding scope mounts has been done for years. However, with today's mounts (provided they are quality pieces) it isn't as necessary as it was in the past. Most one piece mounts like DNZ and a few others are quite good from the factory. At the most I have to lap the rings on occasion. Bedding should be used as a last resort. You may want to sell the rifle or remove the mounts sometime in the future.

This $20 tool from Wheeler will save you a lot of work .... and eliminate needless work also ...................

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/599514 ... ent-tool-1

The entire kit is $45 here .............

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/213018 ... apping-kit

Why would you spend money when bedding is practically free?

 

[Hunter 257W]

I'm not Bobtail, but I'd say that although bedding a one-piece base will allow it to fit perfectly to the receiver for practically no cost, it won't do anything to align the rings any better than the manufactured tolerances will allow. Now I will say that considering the tolerances that modern machining centers can hold, it's probably not going to make a huge difference in most cases to lap the rings but it will at least give you the peace of mind of knowing the rings are perfectly aligned.

 

[MUP]

My question is how do you know if you need to bed or not? Obvious gaps/light under the base/receiver? I wonder if the old plasti-gauge technique would work by clamping the base down on it, then removing to see what the gap measures, if any?

 

[LanceS4803]

I haven't had any problem with modern, high quality rings and bases not being in alignment when put together. If you have a base that is flexed down on either end, when you install the rings, those rings will also be canted. You don't want that when torquing down your ring bolts.

Watch the video of John installing a base. He covers how to know.
On my Remington, it was really easy, as I could flex the base down and see it move. On the Savage, it was harder to tell, but still noticeable. I could slide a thin piece of paper under the mount.

 

[BobTail]

I'm not Bobtail, but I'd say that although bedding a one-piece base will allow it to fit perfectly to the receiver for practically no cost, it won't do anything to align the rings any better than the manufactured tolerances will allow.

BINGO. :tu:

Why would you spend money when bedding is practically free?

See above.

The fix you are offering by bedding does little or nothing to align the rings. You're solving the "wrong" problem.

 

[infoman jr.]

I'm not Bobtail, but I'd say that although bedding a one-piece base will allow it to fit perfectly to the receiver for practically no cost, it won't do anything to align the rings any better than the manufactured tolerances will allow.

BINGO. :tu:

Why would you spend money when bedding is practically free?

See above.

The fix you are offering by bedding does little or nothing to align the rings. You're solving the "wrong" problem.

Use quality rings, and rings aren't a problem.

 

[BobTail]

I'm not Bobtail, but I'd say that although bedding a one-piece base will allow it to fit perfectly to the receiver for practically no cost, it won't do anything to align the rings any better than the manufactured tolerances will allow.

BINGO. :tu:

Why would you spend money when bedding is practically free?

See above.

The fix you are offering by bedding does little or nothing to align the rings. You're solving the "wrong" problem.

Use quality rings, and rings aren't a problem.

I've had rings that were perfect, and others that were not. They are like any other mass produced item. Certain tolerances are built in and certain allowances are made. I have hundreds of friends who are shooters and none could tell you that all of the rings they own were perfect and didn't need to be lapped. And we don't skimp on optics and mounts. It's just the nature of the beast. And when you combine the tolerances allowed on the rings with the imperfections of the bases, you're playing the lottery if you think they'll be perfect.