Ban on inline muzzleloaders?

[Doskil]

Ban threads on banning inline Muzzleloaders

For clarification, Tennessee does not have, nor claims to have a "primitive" weapon season. We have Archery, Muzzleloader and Rifle. No claims, guarantees, promises or conditions of "primitive" weapons are necessarily prerequisites for any of these 3 seasons, even though archery and Muzzleloader, by their own virtues, have certain limitations.

That is true.

So why bother having special seasons anymore?

I can see some safety reasons for archery only areas and trophy deer areas (Presidents Island) but for the average joe why not let him or her choose the weapon to use on their property?

Make it Deer Season and be done with it.

Exactly.

South Carolina does this with no problems.

 

[BMan]

Also I don't want anybody but stick flingers out in the deer woods during hot weather! There aren't nearly as many of them therefore they don't spook deer as much as gun hunters. If we were allowed to hunt with rifles beginning the 3rd Saturday of September practically everybody would throw their bows away and head to the woods with a rifle. That'd mean I'd have 2 choices:

1) Let my neighbors have a 5 or 6 week headstart on me while I waited for decently cool weather

or

2) Grab my rifle and hit the woods sitting in a tick infested thicket while sweat runs down my face like a river with mosquitoes eating me alive.

Neither choice is particulary desirable to me.

Or, make Deer Season November and December each year. People could hunt using any weapon they wanted - archery, MZ, rifle - everybody is equal so everybody should be happy.

 

[Vermin93]

Also I don't want anybody but stick flingers out in the deer woods during hot weather! There aren't nearly as many of them therefore they don't spook deer as much as gun hunters. If we were allowed to hunt with rifles beginning the 3rd Saturday of September practically everybody would throw their bows away and head to the woods with a rifle. That'd mean I'd have 2 choices:

1) Let my neighbors have a 5 or 6 week headstart on me while I waited for decently cool weather

or

2) Grab my rifle and hit the woods sitting in a tick infested thicket while sweat runs down my face like a river with mosquitoes eating me alive.

Neither choice is particulary desirable to me.

Finally some logic. This idea of just having a "deer season" is ridiculous.

 

[Timber Ghost]

NO!!!

 

[Nsghunter]

Some people are talking primitive...
I was hoping advanced, my four sons enjoy video games, me too. I was hoping in the furture to use r/c helicopters and r/c drones to track down deer, shoot them and bring them home(while I watch my infant son and null the need to find a babysitter for my herd) and to knock roosting turkeys to their death so I don't have to subject them and the other self-respcting hunters to my drunk duck turkey callin'

I think if you can one shot with and inline, or a flintlock great. It's still difficult. You still have to get there, track them, stalk them, wait on them and most importantly hit them with a projectile out the front and if your shot sucks, too bad.

 

[oldmanelrod]

No.

 

[TheLBLman]

No.
And before any particular primer might be "banned" from a muzzleloader, compound bows should be banned from archery hunting?
How about nothing but longbows & recurves without sights during archery season . . . . . better yet . . . . . . SEE BELOW

Why not just open deer season on a date and close it on a date? You get a season limit and that's it, it makes it simple and easy.

Why do we need all these special weapons seasons? . . . . . . . just let hunters choose which weapon they hunt with.

Of course, that's ignoring the elephant in the room--the fact that all this interest in special weapons seasons is each person's attempt to find some way to allow themselves to hunt but prevent others from hunting; i.e. attempts to get exclusive hunting time.

I have to agree with Setterman & BSK, even though I'm OK with our current "weapons" season segments.

Meanwhile, any regulations that divide us hunters may be more harmful than good in the bigger scheme of things.

 

[Doskil]

IMHO, that is what special seasons do.

Divides hunters and pits them against each other for "their" piece of the deer hunting pie.

 

[TheLBLman]

IMHO, that is what special seasons do.

Divides hunters and pits them against each other for "their" piece of the deer hunting pie.

But wait, there's more . . . . .

Not that everything about our "special" season segments is bad, but, it can be a financial burden on families trying to participate with their children. Imagine you have a couple children you'd like to deer hunt with you. You need archery and muzzleloader equipment if you expect to be able to hunt more than about half the available weekends of the current annual "deer season".

 

[Winchester]

IMHO, that is what special seasons do.

Divides hunters and pits them against each other for "their" piece of the deer hunting pie.

But wait, there's more . . . . .

Not that everything about our "special" season segments is bad, but, it can be a financial burden on families trying to participate with their children. Imagine you have a couple children you'd like to deer hunt with you. You need archery and muzzleloader equipment if you expect to be able to hunt more than about half the available weekends of the current annual "deer season".

Welcome to my world, myself and 2 boys who love to hunt every season, Bow, MZ, Gun, and Im COMPLETELY HAPPY with the season segments just the way they are!
I don't understand and couldn't imagine piting myself against any other hunter due to the season they hunt??? That's absurd IMO. Im happy to hunt with different weapons and happy for others to hunt with any or all weapons they like as well!
I definitely don't think our season segments should be eliminated because some refuse to hunt with any particular weapon, for any particular reason?? We have different seasons and have for many years, simply learn to hunt with whats legal at the time and be HAPPY!!!!

 

[feathersandfur2214]

Get muzzleloaders and hunt rifle season with them.

 

[Deer Assassin]

one season any weapon

you can hunt all year with THE WEAPON of your choice

 

[TheLBLman]

Welcome to my world, myself and 2 boys who love to hunt every season, Bow, MZ, Gun, and Im COMPLETELY HAPPY with the season segments just the way they are!
. . . . . We have different seasons and have for many years, simply learn to hunt with whats legal at the time and be HAPPY!!!!

Like you, "as is" works well for me personally, too.
But there is some legitimate issue to some folks having a hard time affording (and maintaining) 3 sets of archery equipment, 3 sets of muzzleloading equipment, and 3 sets of centerfires simply so a family of 3 can fully participate in TN's deer season?

There were legitimate reasons for having different weapon season segments when they began. Are those original reasons valid today? I say they are no longer valid. At the same time, again, I personally "like" the different weapon season segments simply because it gives me an advantage over those unable to participate due to whatever reasons. Am I being selfish? Yes. And recognizing this, I believe the weapon season segments are very worthy of debate.

I have to agree with Setterman & BSK, even though I'm OK with our current "weapons" season segments.

Meanwhile, any regulations that divide us hunters may be more harmful than good in the bigger scheme of things.

 

[peytoncreekhunter]

Would y'all want bow hunters to have to wear blaze orange to and from the stand if all weapons were allowed during just one season?

 

[TheLBLman]

Would y'all want bow hunters to have to wear blaze orange to and from the stand if all weapons were allowed during just one season?

I usually do that anyway, at least an orange cap during archery (to and from stands).

If all bowhunters were wearing orange while deer hunting, I seriously doubt there would be any significant difference in their success.

 

[BMan]

Would y'all want bow hunters to have to wear blaze orange to and from the stand if all weapons were allowed during just one season?

Why not? Orange has no effect on deer.

 

[Hunter 257W]

Would y'all want bow hunters to have to wear blaze orange to and from the stand if all weapons were allowed during just one season?

I would think the bowhunters would want to wear orange if they were out in the woods with rifle hunters. I know I would. Getting shot with a deer rifle is probably the last mistake a person is going to get to make.

 

[deerhunter10]

Would y'all want bow hunters to have to wear blaze orange to and from the stand if all weapons were allowed during just one season?

I usually do that anyway, at least an orange cap during archery (to and from stands).

If all bowhunters were wearing orange while deer hunting, I seriously doubt there would be any significant difference in their success.

I would go out on the limb and say there would be zero difference in their success.

 

[TheLBLman]

I would go out on the limb and say there would be zero difference in their success.

In terms of just having an orange vest & cap, I would agree.
But I've observed many hunters do not seem as aware of the scent issues of wearing the same orange vest & cap, day after day, week after week. I think some bowhunters would be like many gun hunters, and it would be the scent issue that might adversely effect them.

 

[Right_Tackle74]

Whoever decides they should ban inline muzzleloaders should be drug outside and beat to a pulp.

 

[TheLBLman]

There is near zero chance of inline muzzleloaders being banned in TN (at least regarding the statewide muzzleloader season).

Much more likely that what was muzzleloader will simply become an addition to the regular rifle season (and that's probably not likely anytime soon).

The TREND is for greater weapon choices, not more restrictive. If someone wants to use a flintlock or a recurve during rifle deer season, they are free to do so, without imposing on the majority of deer hunters who prefer to use a more effective weapon.

Have you seen what they've done in South Carolina?
(I believe this is how we're TRENDING . . . . . .)
Their equivalent of TN's Unit L works like this:
Deer Season Opens on August 15 and Closes on January 1.
You can use whatever weapon you prefer (archery, muzzleloader, rifle, etc.)
SIMPLE.

 

[Rubberduck270]

There is near zero chance of inline muzzleloaders being banned in TN (at least regarding the statewide muzzleloader season).

Good. If you boys want to hunt with a flintlock and wear buckskins then go for it. With all the different rules and regulations ya'll are proposing its starting to sound like ObamaHunt.

 

[deerhunter10]

I would go out on the limb and say there would be zero difference in their success.

In terms of just having an orange vest & cap, I would agree.
But I've observed many hunters do not seem as aware of the scent issues of wearing the same orange vest & cap, day after day, week after week. I think some bowhunters would be like many gun hunters, and it would be the scent issue that might adversely effect them.

oh I agree very few people actually play the wind right. and even fewer people wash stuff like there hats and orange vest and things like that.

 

[Doskil]

There is near zero chance of inline muzzleloaders being banned in TN (at least regarding the statewide muzzleloader season).

Good. If you boys want to hunt with a flintlock and wear buckskins then go for it. With all the different rules and regulations ya'll are proposing its starting to sound like ObamaHunt.

So why not follow South Carolina's lead?

 

[Rubberduck270]

So why not follow South Carolina's lead?

I'm 110% in favor of it. Have been for years.

 

[TheLBLman]

I think we are "trending" the way of South Carolina, but I'd prefer to see a gradual shift rather than a sudden change to this.

Part of this shift has been happening over the years via so-called "primitive" weapons becoming more high-tech and modern. When I started bowhunting, I (and about everyone else) was using a recurve bow, my release was my fingers, and my sights were nil. I didn't start muzzleloader hunting with a flintlock, but the guns of Tennessee's initial muzzleloader season had about half the effective range of today's, and weren't nearly as reliable to shoot.

People can argue the finer points about their weapons, but modern bows, crossbows, and scoped inline muzzleloaders (using BH209 and/or smokeless powders) have certainly about closed the gap in "effectiveness" compared to what so many deer hunters used as a centerfire rifle a few years ago. Think about it. When most deer hunters were using a recurve during archery, most "gun" hunters were using a lever-action 30/30 with open sights. And today, those relatively inaccurate 30/30's have been mostly replaced with more accurate rifles with far superior optical sights, probably about doubling the effective range of most rifle hunters compared to a few decades ago.

Personally, I'd like a continuance of "different" weapon seasons, but believe it should be downplayed as being "special". No one is more special just because they are more enthused about one particular weapon over another. And note how most bowhunters and most muzzleloader hunters will head afield with the most technologically advanced legal weapons they can afford. How many bowhunters are using a recurve today?

No avid bowhunter should take this wrong, as I'm just pointing out that most bowhunters are not using a recurve, and most bowhunters will be heading afield with a rifle when it's legal. At the end of the day, first and foremost, we are hunters. And we are hunters who like to hunt deer.

 

[TheLBLman]

Personally, I rather selfishly enjoy having the woods to myself bowhunting on a beautiful fall day in late October. But I might enjoy it even more if I were carrying my inline muzzleloader.

That said, if I were "treaking" the TN deer regs, I'd probably open each season segment (archery, muzzleloader, gun) a week earlier. (Would also change the 3-buck limit to a 2-buck limit.)

 

[TN Whitetail Freak]

Heres what i wouldnt mind seeing roughly

Sept 23 Modern Archery Equipment (crossbows for ages 5-16 & 50+)
Nov 10 Primitive muzzle loaders (flintlocks) & open crossbow to all ages
Nov 24 inline muzzleloaders & Rifles
Dec 21 close rifle season and inlines and back to primitive muzzleloader/crossbows
Jan 6 end of season
Jan 12 juvi hunt
Jan 19-February 13 Recurves only

 

[TheLBLman]

Too complicated unnecessarily, and catering more to particular weapon enthusiasts than to deer hunters in general.

 

[Doskil]

So why not follow South Carolina's lead?

I'm 110% in favor of it. Have been for years.

I think most southern states could go that way

Set the season and just regulate the antlerless deer harvest